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Jay Lake
Date: 2007-06-19 14:57
Subject: [process] Manuscript formatting
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Recently there was an outbreak of discussion on a mailing list I belong to, concerning proper manuscript formatting. This was more about double spacing after periods than anything else, but the Font Question entered into it as well. (For what it's worth, I strongly prefer Times New Roman for sheer readability, but have recently been convinced to switch back to Courier for novel manuscript submissions, at least.)

Authorities Were Consulted, which resulted in helpful squibs from both Gordon van Gelder and Dr. Stan Schmidt concerning their opinions and experiences in the matter. Being an enterprising fellow myself, I sought (and obtained) the kind permission of both editors to quote them here on this blog as a public service for those of us who concern ourselves with the details of such issues.

Gordon van Gelder, when asked about his preferences, said:

"I don't fuss much over manuscript format and the question of one space vs. two spaces is something that doesn't cross my mind when I'm reading submissions, but I have to say that I do favor Courier and the manuscripts that I find the most readable are still the ones that follow the standard format (like this: http://www.sfwa.org/writing/vonda/vonda.htm)."


Dr. Schmidt's comment was:

Since I don't actually do the typesetting end of things myself, I recently asked Trevor the same question. He said he has no real preference between one or two spaces between sentences; we eventually use one, but he has a macro to change any doubles in manuscripts automatically. I also asked the production manager at Prometheus, for whom I'm currently writing a book, and her answer was similar: they prefer one, but consider it "too hard to enforce," and too easy to change, to try to hold anybody to it.

In my own writing, partly because of those answers, I've pretty much switched over to one space. There's another small reason, too: it saves a tiny amount (but it adds up) of time and wear and tear on your space bar (probably the most-used key on the board) and at least one digit.

As for font, I think most editors still have at least a slight leaning toward Courier, though at least in my case it's extremely mild; I'm generally content with either. I'm not sure I believe that "theoretically"; if anything, I think I personally find Courier a little easier on the eyes. But there's another reason why many editors prefer it: most of us at least occasionally find ourselves wondering about an author's word count and wanting to do an approximate one of our own, and that's easier with a nonproportional font.

While we're in this ballpark, let me add one other editorial preference that most editors seem to share and that sometimes surprises authors. Computers also make it easy to do actual italics instead of underlining, but most of us would rather you didn't, and continue underlining instead. Our computers can easily convert it in the final typesetting, but in many fonts underlining is much more obvious to the eye, and therefore less likely to be missed, than italics.


Finally, writer (and designer/typesetter) Stephen Stanley said this:

Double word spacing between sentences was a typewriter convention. The period key on a typewriter is one of the most often used. Along with the comma key.  Imagine a worn comma key losing its "tail." Then imagine a poor typesetter trying to figure out if it was a period or a comma (sure, the next Capitalized word would be a clue, unless it was a proper noun -- and typesetters weren't required to read for context, it slowed them down). Typesetters, by the way, either set type by hand our re-keystroked the copy into a linotype machine. The extra word space after the period in a manuscript made it clear at a glance to the typesetter that it was indeed a period.

Proper typesetting has NEVER had two spaces after a period. Remember, manuscripts are TYPING not typesetting. Even now.

Now that layouts use copy supplied by the writer, to eliminate re-keystroking, it is unnecessary to use double spacing between sentences. (A simple global search/find eliminates the accidental multiple spaces that DO occur.) We have kept the convention during this transition phase because editors have been ambivalent. Apparently they are now loosening up.

If you use a proportional typeface (Times, etc.) instead of Courier there is NO WAY to roughly estimate the number of words by page count of a manuscript. The old 250 words per page no longer applies. So, if an editor does want to quickly confirm a writer's word count by the old way, it can't be done accurately. That's one reason I continue to use Courier.

The other reason is it makes a manuscript "neutral." The is no typestyling, no temptation to be typographically clever. I like the look of a neutral manuscript, but obviously it is the preferences of editors that should most concern a writer. Stan Schmidt has confirmed he doesn't have a strong opinion about Courier vs Times, except that he still wants a manuscript, not a story typeset for him to match Analog's layout (and I bet he gets them). Please take note about the use of italics. It disappears on a manuscript and is hard to find. As a graphic designer often rushing for a deadline, if I can't easily see the italics (i.e., underlined) I might not properly typestyle the italics. Ultimately the only person who will really care is the writer, so why set yourself up for disappointment? Underline italics on your manuscripts.

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catsparx
User: [info]catsparx
Date: 2007-06-19 22:12 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Personally I can't stand anything other than courier. If someone sends me something to read electronically in times roman I whack it into courier before even reading the title.

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Damon Kaswell
User: [info]gooddamon
Date: 2007-06-19 22:16 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I heartily enjoyed that discussion. Fortunately, it was entirely academic to me, since I already format my manuscripts in Courier with single spaces.

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Steve
User: [info]anton_p_nym
Date: 2007-06-19 22:49 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I'm glad the "single/double space after period" is editor-neutral. I learned keyboarding on manual typewriters, and unlearning the double-tap would consume more synapse-rewriting than I'm willing to devote to the task.

Besides, my thumb needs the exercise to make it more robust in handling my video game habit. *grin*

-- Steve could always write a search-and-replace macro too, but has grown to like seeing the double-space. Strange, the little idiosyncracies we fuss about...

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Kadath in the Cold Waste
User: [info]kadath
Date: 2007-06-20 12:19 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

...unlearning the double-tap would consume more synapse-rewriting than I'm willing to devote to the task.

Ditto. I learned on computers, but at a time when everyone was still teaching double spaces. Also, my mom (who did learn on manual typewriters) would proofread my essays and go through and add double spaces after all the periods.

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Twilight
User: [info]twilight2000
Date: 2007-06-19 22:58 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

And for those of us at the new end of things --
thank you
thank you
thank you

I love this sort of information ;>

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User: [info]joycemocha
Date: 2007-06-19 23:52 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I write in Times New Roman, and convert to Courier New (I don't have straight Courier) for submission. Easier that way.

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The Swan: *writing
User: [info]swan_tower
Date: 2007-06-20 03:35 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:*writing

Ditto. I'd rather be able to see more text on the page at one time (I also single-space while writing), and Courier is ugly to me. But I'm fine with the nice, neutral, professional Standard Manuscript Format when I send it out.

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Wendy S. Delmater: uppercase
User: [info]safewrite
Date: 2007-06-20 00:05 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:uppercase

I dislike the double-space after a period so much that I simply run a global search and replace on the electronic submissions to A&A when I find the first instance. I can deal with it, as it is my quirk.

But God save me from authors who use a triple-space after a period (yes, we get them.) As Miss Snark was fond of saying, that "makes me want to set my hair on fire."

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Stacia
User: [info]smashingstars
Date: 2007-06-20 00:12 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I posted about this on my own blog a few months ago, but your links and sources were a lot more comprehensive than mine.

The sad truth is I will never get over typing two spaces at the end of a sentence. It's ingrained. My brain won't change. I may create my own macro to deal with it before submitting a manuscript, though.

As for fonts, I'm a big fan of Verdana and Trebuchet, but would convert to Courier (or Courier New) before submission, as joycemocha said. It's what I did when I was a professional typist and, like the spaces, is so ingrained I probably can't (won't) change now.

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mssrcrankypants
User: [info]mssrcrankypants
Date: 2007-06-20 00:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Like others, I convert to Courier when required before submitting, but I'll admit I do so a little grudgingly. Why? Frankly, I find Courier ugly, and I think it's harder to read than a proportional font that more closely emulates the typefaces we actually find in books.

We don't take/get unsolicited reviews at Dead Reckonings, and so far all the writers seem to share my disdain for Courier, too. I don't care to see it in manuscripts I'm copyediting either. It's better than something sans-serif, though.

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Mister Eclectic
User: [info]howeird
Date: 2007-06-20 00:19 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Thanks, that was educational. The claim that proportional fonts make it impossible to judge words per page is missing two details - the font size and the margin settings. Typewriter courier is 10 pt., if I remember correctly. Margins used to be 80 characters wide, but YMMV these days.

One thing I wonder is whether it is still traditional to send paper. I would expect a CD of a Word document would be a lot easier to handle all around.

Personally, I find it harder to read Courier than Times or Swiss. Blame it onj being a proofreader in the 60's, when all we had was Courier typewriters.

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O'Mike aka  onyxhawke
User: [info]onyxhawke
Date: 2007-06-20 01:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

A lot of editors/publishers and some agents are still stuck in 1920 and seem to like getting dead tree. Personally in think this is counter productive and refuse, except in special circumstances to take.

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User: [info]ianrandalstrock
Date: 2007-06-20 18:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

The ease of "dead tree," as you put it, is that you can open the envelope, pull out the paper, and read it. You don't have to stick a disk in a computer, do a virus check, make sure the file is in the correct format, and then open the sucker up to read it. You can take a stack of manuscripts out onto the back porch, with you on the train, where ever you want. And for someone who already spends hours a day staring at a computer screen, reading actual paper is a nice break for the eyes.

And the reason that's rarely mentioned, but actually (in my experience) means something is that forcing an author to print out the story, address the envelope, and mail the sucker forces the author to make sure the story is ready to go; that it's finished, and as good as it possibly can be. Having the author merely click "attach file" and "send" makes it almost too easy to send any old piece of dreck, and then send another version tomorrow. That hurdle (the ease of submission) really does knock out a significant percentage of the stuff the editor wasn't going to buy anyway, cutting down the reading stack.

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The Swan: *writing
User: [info]swan_tower
Date: 2007-06-20 03:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:*writing

A CD of a Word document could also carry all kinds of other crap an editor doesn't want -- like, say, a virus. I think a lot of editors deal with electronic files once they're actually working with an author, but for submissions from random strangers? I'm not surprised they ask for paper.

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O'Mike aka  onyxhawke
User: [info]onyxhawke
Date: 2007-06-20 01:00 (UTC)
Subject: oh how subjective...

Fonts are about the most subjective thing in publishing. Even over quality. A certain female head of a press known for mil sf likes garmond, i like Arial, hate Courier, and don't mind any of the Times family.

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smofbbs
User: [info]smofbbs
Date: 2007-06-20 02:33 (UTC)
Subject: Re: oh how subjective...

Picky people prefer Palatino, but it has been many years since I've had access to an output device that does it justice (a Mergenthaler VIP phototypesetter), so I don't use it any more. Ah, well....

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O'Mike aka  onyxhawke
User: [info]onyxhawke
Date: 2007-06-20 14:53 (UTC)
Subject: Re: oh how subjective...

As has been pointed out, there is as close to being a standard for formatting industry wide, hell even genre wide as there is a single standard for your lead protagonist.

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REudaly
User: [info]reudaly
Date: 2007-06-20 02:21 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Just goes to pretty much prove a point I tried to make once upon a time. There is no STANDARD manuscript format anymore. The only thing I've found that's a STANDARD standard is white paper and black ink.

And don't get everyone started on word count... 8-)

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REudaly
User: [info]reudaly
Date: 2007-06-20 02:22 (UTC)
Subject: P.S.

When I say STANDARD, I mean hard rules rather than "guidelines" -- such as the Pirates Code... 8-)

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lt260
User: [info]lt260
Date: 2007-06-20 03:28 (UTC)
Subject: Thanks!

Great post, Jay.

What about some of the other items a new writer should consider before submitting a manuscript?

I’m not referring to the obvious items, such as SASE for a reply, but the ones that fall into a gray area. For instance: printing the manuscript on white paper using black ink. This can sound obvious but that is an illusion. You demonstrated this in a writers workshop a while back. You held up my manuscript, which was dutifully printed in the required black and white, and then explained to me that this was really not the case. You then held up a copy of my manuscript which you had printed out in black and white. It made my copy look like dark gray on lighter gray -- a very distinctive difference. This was quite impressive and I have not forgotten the lesson.

I may be wrong but I think that the more that I can make a manuscript clean, readable, and comfortable for the editor, the better my chances are that that person will actually read my story and not just chuck it into the nearest black hole. It seems that Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Van Gelder have a more tolerant stance than that of other editors. However, I have a feeling that even they have their limits.

Ultimately, my manuscript will succeed or fail on the strength of my writing. Or will it? I have had this discussion with other neophytes on many occasions. My opinion is that I should adhere to the SFWA examples of manuscript as much as possible. Too much deviation and, no matter how grand your story is, it will be rejected. Is this truly the reality of becoming published?

And what of the other nitpick items such as the open ellipsis ( . . . ) and the closed ellipsis ( … ), underlining or all-caps emphasis (ick), the story commencing four lines below the byline, one-inch versus at least one-inch margins, and use of the full title/author’s name in the header of each page beginning on page two? Are these sure ways to please an editor or simply things for a writer to get close enough and then don’t worry about it?

Bob

(PS: Sorry about the long post.)

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cscole
User: [info]carolecole
Date: 2007-06-20 03:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Wonderful post. And good timing too (for me at least as I'm mere days away from tossing my short story hat into the rink!)

Thanks!

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martyn44
User: [info]martyn44
Date: 2007-06-20 16:01 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I prefer to work in Times New Roman but I've lately switched to Courier for submissions, as a result of discussions elsewhere. Times looks more substantial to me, but I work on the principle of giving anyone as few reasons to say 'no' as possible, Courier it is. Now I know why.

I'd never thought about double spacing after a full stop, just done it that way - look at the paragraph above. Maybe I'll try it differently. Maybe I'll try treble spacing!

Once again, it is good to have the word from the horse's mouth, so to speak, rather than from anywhere else.

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steve_buchheit
User: [info]steve_buchheit
Date: 2007-06-20 16:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I tend to compose in proper format (I have a blank manuscript document, make a copy, rename, open up and start composing or typing from my notes, which happens more often now). I truly hate to reformat as my day job consists of doing this constantly, and Word is wobbly on style sheet usage.

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