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Jay Lake
Date: 2012-01-26 05:16
Subject: [links] Link salad ate haggis last night
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Trilogies: Third time’s not always the charm

Hello Kitty Darth Vader — JD Hancock strikes again.

The New French Hacker-Artist Underground — (Snurched from Steve Buchheit.)

No Disrespect for the Meatball Hero — Mmm, food.

X-Ray Laser Turns Up the Heat to 3.6 Million Degrees — I love this line: The advancement represents the first time researchers have been able to produce such plasmas in a controlled way.

Bizarre skin disease Morgellons not infectious, CDC says

Europe, Data, and the 'Right to Be Forgotten'

The Amazing Government Sting That Cost Google $500 Million (GOOG)

Study: Ocean Acidity Exceeds Natural Norms — Oops.

Five shots against global warming denialism

Who should recuse on Prop 8? — Jed Hartman is funny.

Why Evangelicals Don’t Like Mormons — Oddly, this article refers to Romney as a 'Protestant'. Are Mormons considered Protestants? I never heard that.

‘Stop-Newt’ Republicans Confront Base Unwilling to Take Orders — Hahahah.

?otd: Have you ever eaten haggis?




1/25/2012
Writing time yesterday: 1.75 hour (1.5 hours on Sunspin revisions, plus a bit of misc WRPA)
Body movement: 30 minute stationary bike ride
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Elizabeth Coleman
User: criada
Date: 2012-01-26 15:31 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'd call Mormons Protestants simply because that's who their spiritual ancestors were. Dunno if they'd refer to themselves as such. (Though I fully admit I probably have the bias of growing up Catholic, with the impression that "every form of Christianity other than Catholic is Protestant")
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2012-01-26 16:03 (UTC)
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But there are the Eastern Orthodox churches, and Copts, and Maronites, and all sorts of other non-Catholic Christian denominations that don't have a doctrinal connection to Martin Luther's dissent... It seems very weird to call *them* Protestants. This is why I am confused.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2012-01-26 16:27 (UTC)
Subject: Re:
Copts are Egyptian Christians, with a church tradition as old as Catholicism, Maronites are a Middle Eastern Christian sect (a lot of them in Lebanon, I believe), etc. And I'm pretty sure the "Catholic" in the formal name of the Eastern Orthodox Church isn't a direct connection to the Roman Catholic Church. Remember that "catholic" is an adjective which means "wide ranging" or "all encompassing". Certainly the Eastern rite churches (and there are a *bunch* of them) don't recognize the primacy of the Pope, and their doctrine and liturgy are pretty divergent from Roman Catholicism. )Without being the least bit Protestant, I might add.)
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joycemocha
User: joycemocha
Date: 2012-01-26 16:47 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Re:
There are Orthodox affiliated with the Catholic church and then there are Orthodox who are not. I have to look them up to be certain, but some Orthodox churches are allowable for Catholics to share Communion in, others are not. I believe that Maronites are an Orthodox affiliation (but I'm sketchy on that without looking it up).

In any case, the Roman Catholic-Orthodox split came early on in church history, over the filoque clause in the Nicene Creed (semantic arguments over the nature of the Holy Spirit).
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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2012-01-26 19:36 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Well, that's the doctrinal explanation for the split. Politically, the split was driven by the breakup of the Roman Empire.

The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches both see themselves to be the original, no-modifiers universal (catholic) church. But they're culturally influenced by the players in the western (Rome) and eastern (Byzantine) Roman empires and the geography in which they could grow.

I suggest Larry Gonick's Cartoon History of the Universe for a great analysis of the politics and how it influenced the church.
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Andrew Trembley
User: bovil
Date: 2012-01-26 21:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
That would be me... Cleared my iPad Safari data and forgot to log back in...
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2012-01-26 16:42 (UTC)
Subject:
It certainly would never have occurred to me to consider the LDS church a Protestant denomination, except the in the extremely loose and inaccurate use of the word to mean "any non-Roman Catholic denomination".

And speaking as an atheist, my views on the LDS church (or any other denomination) aren't generally rooted in doctrinal descent... :p
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joycemocha
User: joycemocha
Date: 2012-01-26 16:43 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I wouldn't consider Mormons to be Protestant because they add additional revelations (Doctrines and Covenants, The Book of Mormon) to the Bible. The basic tenet of original Protestantism was an adherence to the Bible as the sole source of religious authority. Sola Scriptura and all that, without sola scriptura it's not Protestant. Additional revelations kinda cancel that out. I also don't consider Christian Scientists, Seventh-Day Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses to be "Protestant" for the same reason.

They are all Protestant offshoots, or Protestant heresies, if you will. But I would not consider them to be "Protestant"--each is its own little subdivision of the greater Christian whole. Someone who doesn't understand that difference doesn't "get" why voters who use Protestant religious affiliation to determine their choices would stumble over a Mormon candidate. There is a significant history of bad blood between Protestantism and Mormonism.
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Danny Adams
User: madwriter
Date: 2012-01-26 21:19 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
In my stomping grounds (SW Virginia) some of the Mormons refer to non-Mormons as Gentiles. I don't know if this is a local quirk or more widespread.
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Andrew Trembley
User: bovil
Date: 2012-01-26 21:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It's the appropriate term. The only question is whether or not they use it in general company.
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mmegaera
User: mmegaera
Date: 2012-01-29 00:39 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
IME (best childhood friend in Southern California was Mormon, a good friend in Atlanta, Georgia (of all places) is Mormon) that's pretty standard.
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oaksylph: brown
User: oaksylph
Date: 2012-01-26 21:30 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:brown
Had my first firsthand experience with hysterical blindness the other day; long history of dealing with people who have psychological or psychiatric GI problems. But psychological skin sores?

Sometimes I wonder whether we shouldn't revisit the idea of humors in the context of understanding the amazing effect of the human brain on the body. I really do mean amazing. It's powerful to witness people changing their bodies, often without knowing that's possible, often to express inner troubles.

If also scary and (to a disgruntled survivor of a childhood among hypochondriacs) icky.
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