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Jay Lake
Date: 2007-04-11 15:58
Subject: Iraq
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Tags:iraq, politics
Pentagon Orders Longer Tours for Soldiers in Iraq. (NYT, April 11, 2007.)

"...demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk." (WP, February 13, 2002.)
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User: goulo
Date: 2007-04-12 07:13 (UTC)
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"Liberation" is a much bigger thing than just "defeating the army, toppling the government, and destroying the infrastructure of the country." I don't see how by any reasonable sense of the word Iraq was "liberated". Invaded, occupied, totally trashed and fucked up, sure. But liberated?
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User: anton_p_nym
Date: 2007-04-11 23:35 (UTC)
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In purely military terms, the second article is indeed correct. Saddam's military was woefully unable to resist the US on the battlefield; the invasion was indeed a cakewalk.

What it fails to address, though, is the post-invasion requirements for setting up a new regime in Iraq; call it an occupation and be honest. That's where the 100,000 troops figure comes from; the crying need for swarms of MPs to maintain order while notables in Iraqi society (helped by hordes of civil affairs people) build a government that can provide some modicum of, to steal from my own country's founding document, "peace, order, and good government."

It's the failure to consider the latter that's led to the extended tours of combat troops today.

-- Steve would cheerfully begin the necessary exercise regimen if he was guaranteed the right to Patton-slap every single policy wonk who assumed that a just and honest post-dictatorial government would spontaniously appear after the gunships landed.

P.S. Still seriously pissed of at the Bushites for leaving Afghanistan half-done to pursue their Saddam-o-phobia.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2007-04-11 23:38 (UTC)
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I think the policy wonks knew better. It was the ideologues that didn't.
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When life gives you lemmings...: Cross.  Very Cross.
User: danjite
Date: 2007-04-12 00:30 (UTC)
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Keyword:Cross. Very Cross.
Let us not forget that the tour of duty was increased to twelve months from six just five months ago.

I assure you, the person on my fl whose husband was sent over in December is keeping close track.

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