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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-02-05 13:08
Subject: [politics] Can't lose for winning
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The churn-and-burn over McCain from the Right has me wondering if there's a quiet conservative strategy to sit out the next four years. The mess they've made is literally historic -- Iraq, Afghanistan/Pakistan, the Federal budget, climate denialism, the economy. The 1990s when Clinton was president were very good to conservative leaders -- the rise of Limbaugh and Fox, and the onset of the Permanent Majority (as it were) were fueled in the Clinton years by that angry sense of persecution and betrayal on which modern conservatism seems to thrive.

Right now conservatism is holding the bag for the most disastrous government in modern history. Four years of a Democratic presidency will give the still-mighty conservative commentariat political ammunition to last another decade or more. A blame-the-White-House electoral strategy could well drive Republican recovery (or gains) in House and Senate seats in 2010 and 2012. Every problem with the economy, Iraq and our role in the world will be portrayed as entirely the Democrats' fault within weeks of the inauguration. Then that much-needed sense of persecution can be stoked to revive the almighty base. (It's difficult to sell angry denunciation when your own guys made the mess, after all.)

Rope-a-dope, basically, and a nice, fully deniable hand-off of the flaming shit the Neocons have created.

(madwriter hits this same theme.)
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Richard Parks
User: ogre_san
Date: 2008-02-05 21:27 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I don't think it's a particularly *quiet* strategy, since Limbaugh has basically said that things are going to suck for the next four years regardless, so he'd rather a Democrat get blamed for it rather than a Republican.

I think it's a rather tacit admission that this admin has been a disaster, though of course they'll never admit that directly. But since the mess Bush and the GOP made will take a looong time to clean up, it's a safe bet that whoever occupies the WH for the next 4-8 years is going to get flack for it. But what's the alternative? Let the GOP win? I'm not sure this country can survive another administration like the last one.
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Keffy
User: kehrli
Date: 2008-02-05 21:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think all we can do is remember who made the mess we're in now, and point it out to people who forget.
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blakehutchins
User: blakehutchins
Date: 2008-02-05 21:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Yeah, the thought has crossed my mind as well. The Republicans have so cratered in every respect over the last seven years, they've proved conclusively that they cannot govern. So I think they're reverting back to an opposition strategy; they're most effective in the role of spoiler. Very likely they will hand off the bag of flaming shit, sit back and sabotage any attempt to deal constructively with the mess, then come back four years later and blame the Dems for everything.
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ericjamesstone
User: ericjamesstone
Date: 2008-02-05 22:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It's all part of Karl Rove's master strategy. That's why the Diebold machines will hand the election to the Democrats this year.

That would all make sense except for that fact that Cheney has already authorized another fake terrorist attack as an October Surprise so that Bush can declare martial law and cancel the election.

I thought everybody knew that.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-05 23:40 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You forgot Elvis!

(And also that Rush Limbaugh pretty much promoted this viewpoint publicly today, after I'd drafted this post...)
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User: ex_frankwu
Date: 2008-02-05 23:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family) has already said that if McCain is nominated, he won't vote - for the first time in his life. Though he's not as powerful as he once was, a lot of conservatives still listen to him, and if he sits, many of them will to, as a form of protest against the Republicans not nominating someone conservative enough.
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User: ex_frankwu
Date: 2008-02-06 00:08 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Romney is saying that he only lost today's W. Virginia contest to Huckabee because McCain's supporters were asked (by McC's staff) to throw their support to Huck.

Could this suggest a McCain-Huckabee alliance?

Adding Huckabee onto the ticket with McCain (if McC wins the nom) would give the conservatives a reason to go out and vote and not just stay home.

McC's problem is that he takes votes from the Dem and independent pools, but he might lose his conservative base. With Huckabee on the ticket, that might shore up the conservative base - might be a problem for the Dems in the fall.
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blakehutchins
User: blakehutchins
Date: 2008-02-05 23:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Plus that bastion of clarity, Ann Coulter, has said she'd work for Hillary if McCain is the Republican nominee.

That's got to be one of the signs of the Apocalypse, ennit?
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User: ex_wouldyoue846
Date: 2008-02-06 02:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
*blinks*

Really. I am gobsmacked.

What universe is John McCain a liberal in? (I know, I know, these people think Nixon was a liberal.)

I don't think they'd like Huckabee, not with his insistence that they follow ALL the parts of the Bible, including the pesky parts about caring for the poor. And the evangelicals aren't going to be happy with a candidate who believes in a religion where you can BE god, not just follow him.

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Joanne Merriam
User: joannemerriam
Date: 2008-02-06 01:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Whaddya mean "within weeks of the inauguration"? They're already blaming Democrats.
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farmgirl1146
User: farmgirl1146
Date: 2008-02-06 06:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
http://www.redstate.com/ and http://www.hypocrisy.com/ can give you a little perspective on how little the conservative Republicans like McCain.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2008-02-06 17:48 (UTC)
Subject: The smell of hyperbole in the morning...
Right now conservatism is holding the bag for the most disastrous government in modern history.

The mind boggles. Define "disastrous" so we can run comparisons.

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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-06 17:56 (UTC)
Subject: Re: The smell of hyperbole in the morning...
Oh, come on, this one's a gimme. Budget situation? Continuous warfare? Military unreadiness (due to same continuous wars)? High level corruption? Largest economic collapse since the Great Depression current in progress? Overthrow of Constitutional checks and balances on an open and widespread basis? Indefinite detention of suspects without trial? Torture? Surveillance state? Erosion of civil liberties? Widespread election fraud? Cutivated incompetence through hiring on ideological grounds rather than understanding or experience [unless you really think Liberty U and Patrick Henry are our nation's two top higher educational instutitions]? The profound mismanagement of the post-invasions situation in Iraq? Increased widening of the rich-poor gap? Increased balance of trade problems? Wholesale climate change denialism? The list goes on and on.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-06 17:57 (UTC)
Subject: Re: The smell of hyperbole in the morning...
Have you paid attention to non-partisan assessments of the Bush administration's performance, btw? He's strongly in the running for worst president in history right now.
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User: ex_chrisbil
Date: 2008-02-06 18:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Intense
I've heard this quite a bit, usually with the suggestion that Jeb will be quietly groomed for 2012. Yikes!
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