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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-02-07 07:18
Subject: [tech] Hey, kadath, this one's for you
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Turning physics on its ear: Has college dropout done the impossible and created a perpetual motion machine?

I can haz free energy? Or maybe I can haz scientific breakthrough?
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Hugh Casey: OMG - ONOZ
User: hughcasey
Date: 2008-02-07 15:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:OMG - ONOZ
You need to take the quotation marks off of the end of that link to make it work.

Just thought you'd want to know.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-07 15:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Thanks! Fixie fixie.
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User: dirkcjelli
Date: 2008-02-07 15:27 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I can haz fraud.
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(no subject) - (Anonymous)
Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-07 15:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
And here I was hoping for some world class science snark...
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(no subject) - (Anonymous)
Jay Lake: writing-retro_spaceship
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-07 15:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:writing-retro_spaceship
"Ye canna break the laws of physics, Jim."
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scarlettina: LOL!
User: scarlettina
Date: 2008-02-07 15:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:LOL!
I can haz free energy? Or maybe I can haz scientific breakthrough?

What, you mean a genius cat on an invisible bicycle has created a miracle? Hm. Go ahead and show me it.
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User: n5red
Date: 2008-02-07 16:08 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Many more great scientific discoveries follow the words "That's odd" than "Eureka!".

I doubt that any perpetual motion machines will be discovered on such a gross scale, the current top contender is based on the Casimir effect. Still, I am curious about what is actually happening.
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When life gives you lemmings...: Bucky the human
User: danjite
Date: 2008-02-07 16:13 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Bucky the human
See, I don't get just rejecting it out of hand just because it could be beyond current (Pun incidental and unavoidable) explanations.

While the odds are huge that it is basically a case of accidental sleight of hand and there is a draw where there appears to be a gain, as a skeptic and knowing that the rules of physics as we understand them have had to be revised before due to breakthroughs, I have to keep an open mind as to the possibility he has something.

Bloody unlikely? Hell yeah. Possible? As possible as DNA.
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Amy Sisson
User: amysisson
Date: 2008-02-07 16:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'll wager that I'm the least informed in physics out of all the commenters here. In any case, I was glad to see your willingness to consider the highly unlikely, extremely thin, but still existence possibility that this may be something new. It may not be what the inventor believes it to be, but it could still be new, or useful, or both.

And I'll really glad that the MIT professor was willing to take a look.
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(no subject) - (Anonymous)
When life gives you lemmings...: Flaming spanner
User: danjite
Date: 2008-02-07 18:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Flaming spanner
Precisely.

I agree that this should be put to the rigors of the rack of scientific inquiry- and glad it is getting it's chance.

I'll bet within 200 years we will be able to manipulate and engineer genes well enough that you will be able to get your flying recto-micro-simian wish granted!

Assuming, of course, it is micro-simians you're after...
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Be wise. Be brave. Be tricky.: philolsophers
User: slithytove
Date: 2008-02-07 16:21 (UTC)
Subject: No.
Keyword:philolsophers
No. No, no, no. Also: no.
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(no subject) - (Anonymous)
Be wise. Be brave. Be tricky.: happy
User: slithytove
Date: 2008-02-07 17:20 (UTC)
Subject: Re: No.
Keyword:happy
Both. But I can't claim credit. That goes to Mr Lynch.
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jackwilliambell
User: jackwilliambell
Date: 2008-02-07 16:30 (UTC)
Subject: You can't fool mother nature!
The real question is: Does it degauss the permanent magnet?

Remember the Irish guys last year who were going to submit their 'perpetual motion' machine based on permanent magnets to study by actual scientists? They pulled out at the last minute stating that there were problems with their device.

The problem was that the device did actually work, but the energy required to make it work came at the cost of the magnets degaussing. As a result the machine they had been demonstrating to the press ran slower and slower and finally stopped before the scheduled date they were to turn it over to the scientists.

Nothing is free. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Yadda yadda...
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(no subject) - (Anonymous)
jackwilliambell
User: jackwilliambell
Date: 2008-02-07 21:25 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Google is your friend:
http://www.google.com/search?q=orbo+degauss

Best explanation here:
http://depletedcranium.com/?p=54

Also:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy

Can't find the discussion forum where someone was talking about how it actually ran down on them and how they responded when it happened. I do remember that posters were about evenly split between believers in free energy, skeptics who thought the Steorn engineers were honestly surprised to find out about the degaussing, and cynics who thought they were peddling snake oil all along...

Edited at 2008-02-07 09:26 pm (UTC)
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J.K.Richárd
User: neutronjockey
Date: 2008-02-08 16:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Actually...you can haz free energy the ol' Marconi and Tesla way.

Electricity was meant to be free...
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