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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-02-21 17:58
Subject: [food] Mmm...brisket
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Location:Hilton Columbia Center, Columbia, SC
Mood:satiated
Music:hotel noises
Tags:food, travel
Mmm. South Carolina. Which has apparently borrowed Portland's weather.

I'm here, safe and sound. Had expected to meet up with the jeffvandermeers tonight, but they are running rather late. On the other hand, I'm three hours out of my native time zone, so what do I care? Got jet lag?

I passed a likely looking bbq restaurant on my way in to the hotel, so after checking in to both my room and the festival, I betook my rental car (courtesy of the Hertz random upgrade program, a spanking new Mercury Mariner) back to Maurice's BBQ, specifically the Lexington location.

The place is very blue collar. Not that faux blue collar that's popular in the post-fern bar world of semihip restaurants, but the real thing. The interior is a monument to Southern culture, right down to the church basement furniture and the extensive display of Civil War posters, commemoratives and letters. I have a number of relatives who died in the War of Northern Aggression (did you know I am a sixth generation Texan?) so I think I'm on safe ground to observe that celebrating your ancestors' crushing defeat in an unjust war a century and a half ago is a heck of a basis for a regional culture.

However, this same regional culture produces awesome brisket. This being South Carolina, it was lathered with mustard-based bbq sauce, which I am ok with. With some Texas style vinegar-based sauce the brisket would have been heavenly. Decent hush puppies and mediocre fries came with, along with good cole slaw. I'm going to see if I can drag the jeffvandermeers out there some time this weekend. Among other things, the fresh made onion rings appeal.

Maybe I'll take my camera that time.
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User: n5red
Date: 2008-02-22 02:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You're a Texan? Maybe you aren't such a bad guy after all...
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Jay Lake: jay-windblown
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-22 02:36 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:jay-windblown
Well, I am still a tie-dye wearing, Birkenstock-shod, Hawaiian-shirted, Volvo driving, vanilla latte sipping liberal-progressive freak...
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User: n5red
Date: 2008-02-22 02:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You obviously haven't noticed my wardrobe. The two of us together could probably shut down an ASFA meeting by sending the members into shock.

As far as the Volvo, I prefer my 1983 Mercedes 240D.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-22 02:45 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Oooh...nice...does it clatter like a UPS truck? I loves me some old diesel action. (You should hear my 1967 Volvo with the exhaust manifold leak...it sounds like a Harley on drugs.)
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User: n5red
Date: 2008-02-22 02:53 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Not quite as loud as a UPS truck. It seems to have developed another vacuum leak, after turning the key off, I have to lock the door to get the engine to quit. For some reason people don't beleive me when I try to explain this.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-22 03:03 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I actually understand that problem. Mostly because jtdiii (whom I've known since before the Reagan administration) used to own a similar vehicle.
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threeoutside
User: threeoutside
Date: 2008-02-22 04:51 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"celebrating your ancestors' crushing defeat in an unjust war a century and a half ago is a heck of a basis for a regional culture."

Yeah, it's certainly worked well for the Serbs, eh? You Rebels have a few more centuries before you've really got it down right.

;^>
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Andrew Trembley
User: bovil
Date: 2008-02-22 05:07 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The next time you're in SF you have to hit Tommy's Joynt. It would be post-fern-bar ironic blue collar except there's nothing faux about it, it comes by its blue collar irony honestly (mostly by being in SF for 6 decades). Their brisket is murderous.

If you're ever in Des Moines, ask a local to take you to the Iowa Beef Steakhouse. It's in a blockhouse, and it's a classic. It's Ruth's Chris without all the pretense; a fridge full of absurdly large aged steaks (the 14 oz bacon-wrapped filet is the small one), a giant grill (I've never seen them busy enough to run more than one of the giant grills), and barn-board paneling with farm implements (and the older folks can tell you what they were used for originally) for wall hangings.
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threeoutside
User: threeoutside
Date: 2008-02-22 05:13 (UTC)
Subject: Annnnd...in the Odd Coincidences Dept.
I just stumbled across this: http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/ ("246 - Southern Sauce Sources"
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russ
User: goulo
Date: 2008-02-22 09:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The US civil war was unjust compared to, um, wait, which wars were just?
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-22 14:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I dunno, fighting to defend the institution of slavery seems unjust to me.
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russ
User: goulo
Date: 2008-02-22 15:24 (UTC)
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I think you misunderstood! To me, describing a war as "unjust" seems redundant, so I wondered what war you might consider just.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-22 15:39 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Mm, the usual example in discussions of "Just War" is the liberation of Nazi occupied Europe.
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russ
User: goulo
Date: 2008-02-22 16:58 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I know; but of course that war was already underway. And quite unjust. It's also unclear how just our motives really were, anyway, despite the popular mythology of America selflessly fighting for freedom. Then (as in our current wars) there were lots of not-so-noble reasons for going to war that resulted in personal gain for some rich powerful individuals, at great public expense. And if we really cared so much about Europe, why did we wait till the Japanese attacked us to get involved? But perhaps I'm grumpy and cynical today, as well as more conscious of how the allies unjustly backstabbed Poland in that Just War.

My bigger point was simply that if there's a war going on, justice has long since been lost.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-02-22 17:02 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
My bigger point was simply that if there's a war going on, justice has long since been lost.

I don't disagree with you there.
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madkestrel
User: madkestrel
Date: 2008-02-22 21:52 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
...the War of Northern Aggression

We usually refer to it as the Late Unpleasantness.

*grin*
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