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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-03-05 06:14
Subject: [politics] Clinton rules
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First of all, let me say: good for Hillary. I'm an Obama supporter, but I respect her drive, her victories and her passion. And I will whole heartedly support Hillary as the Democratic nominee if that's how everything falls out.

At the same time, in yesterday's primaries we saw once more considerable (if peripheral) evidence of strong negative campaigning. Confidential to Democratic party: if I wanted win-at-any-cost politics, I'd be a Republican. Liberal-progressives are supposed to stand for something better. We know what the other way gets us. If she's the nominee, it will be a painful victory for business as usual. I'd rather see a battle of messages rather than Muslim slurs and ads with Obama's skin digitally darkened. Those are the other guys' tricks.

As for McCain and Huckabee, Huck surprised me. Having hung in this long against any rational calculus, why drop out now? I'd assumed (quite seriously) he was staying in the race while awaiting divine intervention in the form of a McCain scandal or health problem. There's been no other reason for a while. At least Huck is honest about who he is and what he represents. (Remember Mr. "I'm a uniter, not a divider"?)
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Twilight: Goodnight
User: twilight2000
Date: 2008-03-05 14:45 (UTC)
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On Obama/Clinton: I agree 100%. The whole damn 3am add campaign just PISSESS ME OFF. I expect better. I want to see her focus on the message -- show where they're different -- show me why I should change my vote -- not play ads that scare the piss out of some folks and the piss the rest of us the hell off.

Huck: he said all along that he would drop the second someone hit 1191 -- that's what last night was about. It's too bad he's such a fruitcake, cause he's really rather likable. Maybe a talk show? We can hope.

McCain: can't wait to see who he chooses for Veep ;>
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In a heaven of people only some want to fly: angel
User: chipmunk_planet
Date: 2008-03-05 14:56 (UTC)
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"McCain: can't wait to see who he chooses for Veep ;>"

Yeah, the man behind the curtain ...
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In a heaven of people only some want to fly: angel
User: chipmunk_planet
Date: 2008-03-05 14:54 (UTC)
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I am a Republican, and a lot of my friends and family (on both sides of the aisle) are saying (on their own), "I really like Obama; if Hillary wins the nomination, though, I'm voting for McCain." The 'Anyone But Hillary' camp is very, very big.

If Hillary wins the Dems, McCain wins the White House. That's my prediction. The sentiment against her is that huge.

I'm sorry that Huckabee pulled out, in a way, although I disagree with a lot of his positions, because a one-horse race isn't that interesting. Now if his delegates went to Ron Paul... that could liven things up. Not that I think Paul could win, but they'd have to at least let him speak at the Convention, and he's a great speaker.
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User: ozarque
Date: 2008-03-05 14:55 (UTC)
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I agree with every word in your first two paragraphs; for sure.

I wasn't surprised by Huckabee dropping out, though. He's an Ozarker, he'd said he wasn't going to quit until somebody had the required number of delegates, and once McCain did have that number Huckabee was obligated to honor the commitment he'd made. I'd have been surprised if he hadn't dropped out.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-03-05 15:39 (UTC)
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Ok, I missed that little detail. It has been pretty clear for a while he wasn't going to hit that mark, but if he was waiting for McCain to hit that mark, formally, it makes sense. I perceive Huckabee as being principled, I just don't agree with many of his principles.
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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2008-03-05 15:47 (UTC)
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Keyword:quo vadis
In case anyone is wondering about the darkened skin business:

And the muslim/terrorist-baiting:
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Dave Thompson
User: krylyr
Date: 2008-03-05 17:51 (UTC)
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Thank you for writing that. I'm an Obama supporter, too, but I felt 100% better about supporting Clinton if she won the nomination before the negative campaigning really set in. But, yeah. Wow, that's frustrating. Painful victory for business as usual indeed.
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Dave Bara: JohnnyMac
User: dbara
Date: 2008-03-05 19:03 (UTC)
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User: justinbarba
Date: 2008-03-05 21:55 (UTC)
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Go Obama! I am disappointed he didn't smash Hillary last night, but oh well. The stalemate continues.

Like you, I'll vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, but I worry about her ability to beat Mccain. Too many Independents and Republicans hate the Clintons and would just vote against her to spite them. Like someone else said above, the 'anyone but Hillary' sentiment is strong.

I hate Hillary's campaign of fear. It reminds me of Guilianai and his constant 911 talk. Trying to scare everyone into thinking you are a great candidate is definitely a Republican thing, and I am sad to see them resort to it. But fear is effective, judging by last night's results. I expect we'll see a lot more of it in weeks to come.

One good thing about living in Montana is that we are so insignificant on the national election scale, that we never get the nasty tv ads. Yay for that.
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sheelangig: valley of light
User: sheelangig
Date: 2008-03-06 06:45 (UTC)
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Keyword:valley of light

You know, if we really want to hand the Republicans their hats, I think one thing that would work would be if Obama and Clinton campaigned FOR each other. This negative stuff is extraordinarily unpleasant.

Yeah, I'm an idealist.
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