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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-04-19 09:57
Subject: [links] Link salad Saturday serving
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Location:Nuevo Rancho Lake
Mood:busy
Music:the_child muttering as she makes up a board game
Tags:cars, cool, links, personal, photos, politics, religion
DC-3 conversion van — Ok, I want this. Real bad. Real, real bad.

The Kentucky Space Program

APOD with another lovely and thought-proving image

Texas polygamist sect is accused of indoctrinating girls — "Girls in the west Texas polygamous sect enter into underage marriages without resistance because they are ruthlessly indoctrinated from birth to believe disobedience will lead to their damnation" How is this different from any other religion? That's a serious question, not snark. The followers of virtually all religions raise their children within their religious framework, and impose the moral and behavioral rules of their faith on their children. Why is this different? If you're going to give social approval to religious upbringing, where does the line fall in picking-and-choosing? From my atheistic point of view, it's all indoctrination, after all.

Pentagon institute calls Iraq war 'a major debacle' with outcome 'in doubt' — Damned liberal traitors have infested the Pentagon now. Where's Joe McCarthy when we really need him?

John McCain's tax returns — Note his wife's were withheld. I wonder how Your Liberal Media and conservative America would feel about Hillary withholding Bill's tax info.




4/19/08
Time in saddle: 20 minutes
Last night's weigh-out: n/a
This morning's weigh-in: 271.8
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daveraines
User: daveraines
Date: 2008-04-19 17:42 (UTC)
Subject: Indoctrination
Once again the Master Fisher of Lakeshore throws out the bait, and once again I'll bite.

>> How is this different from any other religion?

The first thing I'd say is, every child is raised within a framework of some kind - is "indoctrinated." If the child is taught "there is no God," that is doctrine for that household. If the child is taught "here is what all the different religions teach, and you can choose," then the doctrine is "choice is good" or "you can choose your own truth." If the child is taught "Love God, love neighbor," then that is doctrine. "Doctrine" simply means a set of beliefs or principles taught by a group.

The question then becomes, what differentiates legitimate doctrinal teaching from illegitimate (or even wicked) teaching? I would first argue that some teaching has been tested by time and collected over time, and leads to amazing contributions to society ("Love God, love neighbor"). This would be a sociological reason to test one's teaching against canonical texts, for instance. They are the collected wisdom, over thousands of years, of what it means to be human.

I would go further and talk about revelation. CHristians locate our touchstone in the person of Jesus Christ and say that in his life, death, and resurrection, God has revealed definitively what God is up to. If somebody claims to have new truth, the Christian response is to test it against the figure and teaching of Jesus; and to do this within a community of believers. We have checks, balances, and accountability. So when a sect goes off by itself and says "we're accountable to no one!" our red flags go up.

People are going to say "but what about THIS situation or THAT situation?" Where were the red flags in the case of pedophile Catholic priests, for instance? I celebrate the fact that a day of reckoning has come for these folks. The lures of power and control capture Christians sometimes just as they do atheists, agnostics, Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else. We need help sometimes in identifying those times and places; and ought to welcome it. But it doesn't mean we should throw our entire body of teaching out the window.

This is very long and I apologize.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-04-19 21:17 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Indoctrination
Never apologize for saying what you think. Especially to me.
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Karrin Jackson
User: karjack
Date: 2008-04-20 00:32 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Indoctrination
Seconding this, which was much more eloquently put than anything I could have come up with.
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