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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-10-05 08:19
Subject: [links] Link salad for a convention Sunday
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The gears of home — A reader with a rather interesting review of Escapement Powell's | Amazon ]

When, exactly, are you dead? — End of life judgments and organ donations. (Thanks to lt260.)

On the Sunny Beaches of Brazil, A Perplexing Inrush of Penguins — Climate change? Not possible. Rush Limbaugh said it was a hoax, and he is far more credible than either the overwhelming scientific consensus or that actual silly data stuff. (Thanks to lt260.)

Palin says Obama friendly with terrorists — Pretty strong words from someone who’s a member of a movement which has been committing acts of terrorism across the United States the last twenty five years or so. Except, of course, that our press and public don’t consider abortion clinic bombings to terrorism. at least not when they’re committed by white Christian patriots.

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russ: watchmen
User: goulo
Date: 2008-10-05 15:47 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Speaking of the question of when someone is dead... yesterday I read one of the earliest original short stories published in Esperanto, "En la tombo" by Nikolaj Afrikanoviĉ Borovko, first published in 1892 - and it's a nicely done creepy tale of premature burial!
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Elizabeth Coleman
User: criada
Date: 2008-10-05 16:19 (UTC)
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So why did you change the title?
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-10-05 19:23 (UTC)
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On the publisher's recommendation. STEMWINDER sounded like the title of a Tom Clancy type thriller to a lot of people who weren't aware of the horological meaning of the word, presumably either from the term's connection with political rhetoric, or confusion with the sidewinder missile system.
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Wendy S. Delmater: thanksgiving
User: safewrite
Date: 2008-10-05 17:22 (UTC)
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Jay, that was a bit over the top. I consider bombing abortion clinics terrorism. I do not know a single "pro-life" person in my church or other churches that thinks bombing an abortion clinic is "patriotic" or is in any way morally justifiable. I'm far from perfect but I'm not crazy. Neither are they.

People who bomb clinics are nuts. Whackos. Doing that sort of thing is evil, in my opinion and the opinions of every Christian I have ever met. Throwing "white" into your "white Christian patriot" name calling just offends me more. Let's not call it hate speech when you say such things about me and people I care about. Let's just call it an unfortunate mistake. Do you honestly think that I would condone bombing an abortion clinic? Do you?
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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2008-10-05 18:33 (UTC)
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Keyword:quo vadis
When someone is on a murderous rampage like the massacres at Columbine or Virginia Tech, if a guard shoots the killer, do you think that guard is a wacko nutty terrorist? Probably not - after all, he's stopping a mass murderer. You and I both know that someone who kills a mass murderer is generally lauded as a hero, not reviled as a wacko nutty terrorist.

So why are you surprised when some anti-choice activists do the same thing? After all, they're simply stopping a mass murderer, according to the belief that abortion = murder. If you really believe that abortion = murder, it's not clear to me how you can disown people who try to stop the mass murderers. As long as the anti-choice movement equates abortion with murder, they are encouraging people to behave as if, well, mass murders are happening continually in abortion clinics.

If anti-choice people feel that the situations are different, and that committing violence against abortionists and abortion clinics is unjustified wacko nutty terrorism, then they need to quit claiming that abortion = murder, because for better or worse, most people feel it is not wacky nutty terrorism to use violence to stop a mass murderer.
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When life gives you lemmings...: Ganesha on drums
User: danjite
Date: 2008-10-05 18:48 (UTC)
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Keyword:Ganesha on drums
Precisely correct.

I once was an infiltrator of Operation Rescue. Since I was then a young, conservative looking white male (I am still white and male) I would attend the pre-blockade prayer meetings and make sure the information of which clinics were to be blocked got to the clinic defenders first.

After the first time, they didn't tell the individual cars where we were going, so this only worked once.

But it is as you say. Even though OR didn't do bombings- just blockades- they certainly supported them in spirit. Many of these people were apocolyptics- what is one clinic in hellfire when they spent their lives praying for the whole world in flames?

I am sure some of the same people I knew then are praying for the nuking of Iran right now so we can get on with it.

These ruthless fanatics, however, are not the same nice pro-life people I met at the church I used to sing at in Marin. The Marin Christians were peace lovers who thought abortion a sad topic and that the true to stop it was better access to sex education, birth control and the eradication of poverty.

They just were nice quiet folks and not headline worthy.
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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2008-10-05 18:49 (UTC)
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What's that? One man's terorist is another man's freedom fighter?

Jay's commentary is spot-on here. That *you* may not be such a person doesn't mean that *all* of your fellows in X group/churches/whatever aren't...especially if it is already well-proven that they are.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-10-05 19:22 (UTC)
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You know, when the current president came into office, he made John Ashcroft his attorney general. Ashcroft is a very committed Evangelical Christian. One of Ahscroft's first actions was to reduce the Eric Rudolph task force from over 30 agents to one. Eric Rudolph was and is a folk hero to in the western Carolinas where he hid out for years with extensive help from the Christian communities there, and post-Clinton, no serious attempt at catching him. He was finally apprehended by a rookie cop.

That doesn't sound like Evangelical opposition to clinic bombings to me.

I'm prepared to be wrong. Show me the statements by Wildmon, Bakker, Reed, Robertson -- the public names and faces leading the Evangelical movement over the past twenty five years -- show me how they stood up against clinic bombings and the murder of doctors. Show me how they and their millions of followers stopped violence against clinics, defended the rule of law, worked to tone down the eliminationist rhetoric which runs so strongly in the anti-choice movement.

Show me I'm wrong about the public record. If I missed the headlines on how the Evangelical community worked to facilitate the investigation of Eric Rudolph, if I missed how the leadership has come out against anti-choice violence, then I owe you an apology for what you've called "hate speech." My friend, it's not hate speech if I'm talking about what's in the public record.
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When life gives you lemmings...
User: danjite
Date: 2008-10-05 18:35 (UTC)
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