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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-11-05 07:21
Subject: [politics] One more brief outburst
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slithytove talks about how his guy lost. An intelligent, melancholy reflection, wherein he speaks of the dangers complete Democratic control. In his comments section, I said the following, which I think bears repeating:

Without a supermajority in the Senate, the Democrats are not in complete control of the legislative branch. And I seriously doubt you’ll see Reid and Pelosi using the kind of tactics the Permanent Majority employed against the minority — they certainly haven’t the last two years.

Centrists and progressives are far more inclusive than conservatives, pretty much by definition. Which is my way of saying that a Democratic-dominated government is much friendlier to conservatives than a Republican-dominated government is to liberal-progressives. The political history of this country since at least 1968 would seem to bear me out on that.

Originally published at jlake.com. You can comment here or there.

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User: dirkcjelli
Date: 2008-11-05 14:50 (UTC)
Subject: Octopus hands.
Half of the Democratic Party spends all of its time reaching across the isle. Blue Dogs, Business Democrats...
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Michael Curry
User: mcurry
Date: 2008-11-05 14:51 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Without a supermajority in the Senate, the Democrats are not in complete control of the legislative branch. And I seriously doubt you’ll see Reid and Pelosi using the kind of tactics the Permanent Majority employed against the minority — they certainly haven’t the last two years.

Which is the reason I'd certainly like to see Reid and Pelosi both gone from their leadership roles, in hopes that Obama might be able to actually get anything done in Congress over the next two years. The performance of the Democrats in the House and Senate since 2006 has been nothing short of pathetic, and much of the blame for that falls on the leadership.
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User: autojim
Date: 2008-11-05 15:40 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think the tally I saw is a passing score of 3 (maybe 5 with the "bailouts" that happened after I saw the scorecard) bills of any substance and over 1800 non-binding resolutions since the Great Democratic Revolution in the Legislative Branch in 2006.

I agree with you, but I suspect we'll both be disappointed there.
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lt260
User: lt260
Date: 2008-11-05 16:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Amen. The Oatmeal Twins have shown an utter reluctance to join in with the rest of us vertebrates and grow a spine. Here's hoping that Mr. and Mrs. Crisco will be dismissed, true leaders put in charge of the house and senate, and that congress gains a modicum of cooperative work ethic. I won't hold my breath. I just hope that Obama doesn't either.

I'm crossing my fingers that enough will be accomplished in the next two years that it will leave the general public in a mood to elect a goodly number of politicians willing to chuck partisan crap and roll their sleeves up. If Obama can get enough done in that time frame, maybe the country will wake up enough and send a few more people like Chuck Hagle, Dennis Kucinich, and Chris Dodd to DC. IF that happens, look out for the second half of Obama’s first term.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-11-05 16:11 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
See this rather bizarre exchange:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/4/232352/692/491/653450

Apparently one party rule by Republicans isn't one party rule.
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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2008-11-05 17:32 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
indeed...and after the '06 election I didn't see much drive from the GOP for their "nuclear option" of nerfing the filibuster.
Strange that.
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Chris McKitterick: President Obama
User: mckitterick
Date: 2008-11-05 16:57 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:President Obama
That's an important distinction. McCain's speech last night was a perfect demonstration of this principle: Obama talked about his admiration for his opponent; he talked about inclusion and coming-together and hope and sacrifice and working as one. To this, his audience cheered - even when he spoke about his opponent.

McCain's audience emitted loud BOOOOs when there was any mention of Obama.

Let them stew in their poisonous juices. Perhaps the healing power of the other side might even help cure them of some of their disease.
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