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Jay Lake
Date: 2008-11-16 09:43
Subject: [links] Link salad for a quiet Sunday
Security: Public
Tags:contests, funny, links, personal, politics, polls, tech

Don’t forget the voting poll for the Post-Novel Ennui Contest [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ], here. Vote early, vote often, influence your friends!

The Campbell Award Pin fundraiser is now underway. [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ] — And yes, I’ll be adding a PayPal link today, thanks to OSFCI.

A Backlash Grows in Bangalore Over Tech Revolution — Interesting take on the costs of globalization.

MILF shoots down US spy plane in Mindanao — World’s greatest headline. (Thanks to danjite.)

Blowback is a bitch — More on the politics of Proposition 8 donors. Money shot: You don’t get to heaven above by trampling someone else’s heaven on earth.

After Obama victory, an outbreak of racial anger — Conservative values in action. ‘Cause I’m pretty damned sure it’s not liberals starting dead pools on Obama and burning crosses.

Ted Stevens may face ouster from GOP Senate caucus“It’s important for Republicans to show that we are going to demand a high standard of ethics,” Denton said. Nice sentiment, but after the years of the Bush administration, the Permanent Majority and the K Street Project, why bother to start now?

Question of the day: What’s the frequency, Kenneth?


11/16/08
Body movement: 2 hour, 10 minute suburban walk
This morning’s weigh-in: 224.0
Currently reading: Wintersmith by Terry Pratchett

Originally published at jlake.com. You can comment here or there.

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ericjamesstone
User: ericjamesstone
Date: 2008-11-16 17:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
> ‘Cause I’m pretty damned sure it’s not liberals starting dead pools
> on Obama and burning crosses.

You're right -- unlike conservatives, liberals are devoted to tolerance, so they would never do something like knock the cross from an old lady's hands and trample on it, burn the Book of Mormon, or mail white powder to cause anthrax scares. Gotta love that liberal tolerance in action!
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Bob
User: yourbob
Date: 2008-11-16 17:21 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Deplorable acts. And such huge coordinated efforts - a total of three people, three seperate incidents. Hardly enough to gather a pool.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-11-16 17:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Liberals also didn't build 25 years of political dominance on deliberately divisive electoral rhetoric and party polities, either. Willie Horton. Any Jesse Helms campaign you care to name. Palin's campaign rallies. Etc.

The GOP and the conservative movement are reaping their own whirlwind of institutionalized racism. Unfortunately, so are the rest of us.
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User: dirkcjelli
Date: 2008-11-16 18:57 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Call me when Mormons and Catholics fear being dragged to death behind pickup trucks or fear being killed for using the bathroom.
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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2008-11-17 07:32 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:quo vadis
You really sincerely see no difference in scale or intentional organization?
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ericjamesstone
User: ericjamesstone
Date: 2008-11-17 08:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Did I say that? All I was trying to do is show that liberals are not quite as free of the tendency toward bigotry as Jay implied.
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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2008-11-17 08:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:quo vadis
OK. It came off as more of a "both sides do hateful intolerance, so it's not fair to criticize conservatives for it", which is a common claim by many conservatives.

I'm pretty sure that Jay and everyone else here is aware that there are bigots in almost every group. The issue was more about the imbalance in distribution.
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Bob
User: yourbob
Date: 2008-11-21 05:04 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
as an update
the "little old lady" whose cross was trampled is a semi-pro disrupter who knocked over a disabled man and yelled at him for getting in her way on her way to steal the microphone from the organizers of the rally.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/11/truth-about-phyllis-burgess.html

that makes it liberals two (down from three), conservatives....
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Bob
User: yourbob
Date: 2008-11-16 17:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Thank you.

http://yourbob.livejournal.com/369428.html
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Keffy
User: kehrli
Date: 2008-11-16 17:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Are checks still preferred to Paypal?
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2008-11-16 18:02 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Actually, either one is fine now. (I had to straighten some stuff out with OSFCI.)
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Joanne Merriam
User: joannemerriam
Date: 2008-11-16 18:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
There are certainly racist liberals, (the ones who vote for Obama and then say, "Now black people can't blame everything on racism," for instance) but it seems obvious that the people who are mad that Obama was elected were not the people voting for him.

It's horrible that these things are happening, but I hope that flushing racism out into the open will end up working to counteract it, in the long run.
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Danny Adams
User: madwriter
Date: 2008-11-17 01:00 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
>>After Obama victory, an outbreak of racial anger<<

There's a dorm here on my campus where a group of boys will sit outside most every night talking really, really loudly--as in the kind where you can still hear them halfway across campus. The night of the election they were shouting so many epithets against Obama that when my Mrs. and I walked the dog past the dorm there were two police cars on the way and some cops on foot to politely tell people "This isn't a good place to be right now".

The current chapter of the historical novel needs a racial "instigator" named; the next chapter will feature his sons as home partisans, and then the chapter after that will have them join the KKK during Reconstruction. At this point I've pretty much decided to name the family after the aforementioned dorm.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2008-11-17 12:23 (UTC)
Subject: Blowback
I'm not comfortable with calling the release of this list a pogrom. It's nowhere near that.

But I'm really uncomfortable with the rhetoric surrounding it from those who are promoting its release. From Jay's link:

The kind of person who contributes money to deny their fellow citizens their civil rights are not someday magically going to be part of the solution: they're the problem. These are not people to be reasoned with; they're ignorant, they're haters and they're bigots and the only thing people like that understand is power.

So when they stick their noses in other people's affairs, they forfeit the right to be considered just another "ordinary person". They're involved and they would be foolish to expect that those other people in whose private affairs they have meddled wouldn't return the favor. As they say: you pays your money and you takes your chances.


So, the lesson is what? "You donate-a your conscience, I break-a your face?"

Good gravy. Didn't we just elect a president whose rise to power was in part spurred by his devotion to the idea of civil discourse, compromise, and the rule of law?

Intimidation: It's the New (Olde) Democracy!

It's not right when it's being done in 2000 in Florida; it's not right to do now, no matter what side of this divide you stand upon.
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Ruthanne Reid
User: ruthannereid
Date: 2008-11-17 13:03 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"What's the frequency, Kenneth" is going to have me giggling all day, appropriate though it is.
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