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Jay Lake
Date: 2009-01-20 04:14
Subject: [politics] Happy Inauguration Day
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Happy Inauguration Day, everyone. I'll be at the Day Jobbe and so not watching or listening to Obama's speech. For those of you who are doing so, enjoy it for me.

I find myself wondering if the incoming Obama administration will follow recent tradition and spread a bunch of bizarre lies about the previous administration prying the "O" keys off the White House computers and so forth. It's a lovely political rite which our moral compassholders in the GOP trailblazed for us.

Also, conservatives: this is important. At 12:01 Eastern time today you'll be required to surrender all your guns, gay-marry the nearest librul and join your local mosque. At least, that's what I heard on talk radio, so it must be true.

Welcome to a new day, America. Let's clean up the reeking mess Bush made of the country and the world.

Originally published at jlake.com.

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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-01-20 14:38 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I find myself wondering how serious the Democrats are about bipartisanship and bridge-building.

There is a huge opportunity for hypocrisy in the legislative and executive branches right now; history has shown us that politicians rarely pass up the chance to snatch at those apples.

Good luck, American citizens. Keep your eyes open.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-20 22:40 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
This is a rhetorical question, I suppose, but why is it that conservatives in government can be as unprincipled and hyperpartisan as it pleases them to be (cf Delay, Lott, Cheney, Bush) and still be considered serious statesmen, while liberal progressives in government are called upon to be far better, while being judged far more harshly?
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-01-21 11:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
why is it that conservatives in government can be as unprincipled and hyperpartisan as it pleases them to be (cf Delay, Lott, Cheney, Bush) and still be considered serious statesmen, while liberal progressives in government are called upon to be far better, while being judged far more harshly?

I don't think that the general public has a double standard on double standards. :)

That is, I think the general public views hypocrisy and partisanship with equal disdain or apathy, no matter which side of aisle the politician stands on.

Do you feel that the public thinks otherwise?
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-21 11:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Do you feel that the public thinks otherwise?

Given Bush's approval ratings through about 2006, absolutely the public feels otherwise. However, that's in significant part due to the kind of media coverage that Bush received. Compare the way the media treated President Clinton or candidate Gore to the way the media treated Bush as candidate or president.

And since the media so heavily skewed conservative (talk radio being almost exclusively a conservative domain; news media being center-right on its best days, with a huge right-wing lean in FOX that has no centrist or left-leaning counterpart), it's not surprising the public's information skews pro-conservative.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-01-21 13:08 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I've covered before how your perception of the media's right-wing bias is a little short-sighted. I don't think that the data backs up your opinion, so I don't think it's logical to use that as an identifier of public will.

UCLA Study on Media Bias (2005)

Read beyond the summary into the meat of the article.

As for Bush's approval ratings-- here's some data:

From Gallup

As you can see, his average approval rating began to tank in 2003 (second graph). By 2006, he was approaching a 38% approval rate, well below the median 55% (according to Gallup's numbers).

Now, I'm assuming that you're pointing out his approval rates to show that the public does not disapprove of GOP hyperpartisanship and unprincipled-ness (I'd like a definition of what you mean by unprincipled, though-- it's kind of a squishy term...), in the way that they disapprove of Democrat hyperpartisanship and unprincipled-ness.

I don't think that approval ratings contain enough detail to support that judgment.

Here's another story from 2005 that addresses approval ratings, and compares Bush to Clinton

I don't know how you're reaching your conclusions, Jay.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-01-21 13:27 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
...and as long as I'm evaluating, let me take on this particular tidbit from the Scientific American article:

This past summer, just as the view that journalists were going softer on Barack Obama than on John McCain was becoming widely accepted, CMPA issued a report showing that 72 percent of the statements in TV news reports about Obama in late spring and early summer were negative, whereas 57 percent of the statements about McCain were negative.

The article sets this up as if there were a current contest between Obama and McCain at the time that the report's facts were gathered. However, note that the SA article was written in Sept. 2008-- but the data being reported on was gathered in spring and early summer of that year. In the spring and early summer of 2008, the person who was contending most with Obama was not a Republican; it was Hilary Clinton.

The Democratic National Convention didn't occur until the end of August.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-22 12:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You and I have picked over the UCLA study before. Very small sample, and some weird biases in the definitional stuff. If you look at Media Matters, you'll see a very different picture. As for the way the press treated Obama, yes, after McCain went round the bend early in the economic collapse, they gave up on him and fixated on Obama. That's the first time in my life I've seen the press coverage generally favor a Democrat. But up til that point, McCain had very much been a golden boy of the press. He himself called the media his base.

Thanks for the 2005 link, btw. And you're correct in the sense that my inherent cynicism and a lifetime years of watching the leadership on the Right be idolized for some truly stupid and evil acts has certainly biased *my* observations.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-01-22 16:32 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
As for the way the press treated Obama, yes, after McCain went round the bend early in the economic collapse, they gave up on him and fixated on Obama. That's the first time in my life I've seen the press coverage generally favor a Democrat. But up til that point, McCain had very much been a golden boy of the press. He himself called the media his base.


Again, I don't think the facts match your opinion. Can you show why you feel the way you do? My experiences/memories of the press' treatment of GOP candidates does not coincide with yours.

Maybe I'm an odd duck-- I get most of my news from the internet rather than through the broadcast networks, CNN, or Fox; and I don't listen to talk radio. The internet has been my primary news-gathering tool since 1999. It's possible my selection of markets has tainted my observations. (I don't think it has, but I admit the possibility)
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-24 16:07 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200901230018?newsref=www.eschatonblog.com
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-20 22:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
While I agree with your point, see my comment here:

http://jaylake.livejournal.com/1701624.html?thread=12001272#t12001272
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-21 11:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Sometimes I do extend that tar brush to "all" conservatives. I didn't see or hear much dissent of any kind from the right during the Permanent Majority period. When the going was good, pretty much every conservative I know or know of was happy to go along with Bush and the GOP. Which makes me pretty suspicious and cynical of claims now that Bush wasn't a true conservative, etc. etc. etc.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-01-22 12:11 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Heh. Still, almost fifty million people voted for him in 2004. When we all knew better.
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theturbonerd
User: theturbonerd
Date: 2009-01-21 11:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Real Conservatives in office have been as rare as hen's teeth these past 30 years. These jokers that have called themselves conservatives, especially our former President G.W. Bush and V.P. Richard Cheney are anything but. Mostly they are a bunch of greedy power-mongering loud mouthed country club biggots.

Still, there must be respect for the office. They too finally honored the spirit and letter of our Constitution and voluntarily left power; making way for our current President. So yesterday as he boarded Executive One, I gave G.W. a salute and a "Thank You For Your Service". I shed no tears when he left.

I shed many tears when President Obama offered his oath to faithfully execute his office, protect and defend our Constitution and these United States. Tears streamed from my eyes as I listened to a man finally worthy of my respect whose leadership I will follow spoke elequently of the hard choices and bright future ahead.

I'm a centrist (social liberal, fiscal pragmatist) and have been a political Independant most of my voting life. I wait impatiently for the day when the Republican Party purges the wingnuts from their leadership and real Burkean Conservatives once more bring a voice of balance to our system.

Until that time, the liberals and the centrists and especially the pragmatists will pickup the slack. We will shoulder the load and pull forward.

I hope the Conservatives get their act together quickly. We need their help pulling the load.
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User: dirkcjelli
Date: 2009-01-20 18:19 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
... Same as the old day.

Same economics

Same foreign policy
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Mister Eclectic
User: howeird
Date: 2009-01-20 23:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It's the "escape" keys which are missing from W's staff's computers.
;-)
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