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Jay Lake
Date: 2009-02-02 05:21
Subject: [links] Link salad saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac
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My photos from yesterday's Chinese New Year Expedition:
Family members [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ]
Portland Classical Chinese Garden [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ]
Lion dance [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ]

Escapement is on the Locus 2008 Recommended Reading List — So is my Clarkesworld story, "The Sky that Wraps the World Round, Past the Blue into the Black". Double-header. W00t!

The upper-case phonemeLanguage Log takes on Iain Banks. Funny stuff, and interesting reading.

Get Fuzzy talks reviews — And zombies! Hahaha.

Grassy Railroads — Somehow I don't think they meant this. (Snurched from Dark Roasted Blend)

GPS-Laced Footballs to Offer Keen Play by Play — Umm...

Skeptic etiquetteI told her that the universe is wonderful enough on its own. Space, stars, planets, black holes, galaxies, suns. The fact that out of all the elemental soup, people like us have evolved to walk and talk and create art, music, white wine, patent leather stacked mary jane shoes, Cocoa Puffs cereal, truck nutz, chocolate chip cookies, surf boards, and the Neiman Marcus cosmetics department is AMAZING. All by itself. Saying, "god did it" is heartbreaking. It pisses on the sheer wonderousness of it all, you know? I don't need more.

As Obama Talks Of Bipartisanship, Definitions Varysome Republicans are wondering whether Obama's outreach, appreciated as it was, may not extend to agreeing to the compromises they want. "We got the sense that he was very genuine," said Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.). But "if he comes and meets with us like that and it doesn't have an impact, it begins to hurt his credibility." Confidential to Your Liberal Media and to Your Republican Party: Do the impossible and stretch your memory all the way back to 2006 and visit this issue in terms of the Permanent Majority playbook. Obama is giving the GOP minority delegation in Washington an order of magnitude more credibility and attention than "I'm a uniter, not a divider" Bush ever gave the Democratic minority delegation. Hello? Ring any bells? Nah, didn't think so.

?otD: What did that voice inside your head say?




2/2/2009
Body movement: 40 minute ride on the stationary bike
This morning's weigh-in: 221.4
Currently reading: The Confidence-Man: His Masquerade by Herman Melville

Originally published at jlake.com.

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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2009-02-02 13:45 (UTC)
Subject: re:skeptics
Fascinating stuff. Yet I hear Yoda's "So certain are you?" tickle in the back of the mind. It does remind me, too, a little of one of the "Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob"" in a Sub-genius shortstory collection, wherein "God" (giving "Bob" Dobbs a quiz to renew his Prophet's License) says a few things like "Trick question. Everyone believes in God. They just don't believe in someone *else's* God...

Scientists? All those guys DO is make up new names for Me. For example, their latest one is "the Big Bang," by using which they actually think they're believing in something else - just by changing the name! But you notice they're always very careful to capitalize it..."

and a caveat for us all: "What is the greatest enemy of truth? Consensus".

Fun book, with lots of slack, as the Sub-Genius should be ;-)
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-02-02 15:16 (UTC)
Subject: God did it...
I told her that the universe is wonderful enough on its own. Space, stars, planets, black holes, galaxies, suns. The fact that out of all the elemental soup, people like us have evolved to walk and talk and create art, music, white wine, patent leather stacked mary jane shoes, Cocoa Puffs cereal, truck nutz, chocolate chip cookies, surf boards, and the Neiman Marcus cosmetics department is AMAZING. All by itself. Saying, "god did it" is heartbreaking. It pisses on the sheer wonderousness of it all, you know? I don't need more.

I don't see how the concept of God "pisses on the sheer wondrousness" of anything.

The "I don't need more" is a disturbing, closed-minded way of thinking about existence, and not one I'm happy to let slip by.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-02-02 16:03 (UTC)
Subject: Re: God did it...
It certainly could have been phrased better on the writer's part, but personally I think the message of "I don't need more" as being very open-minded.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-02-02 16:22 (UTC)
Subject: Re: God did it...
Although I disagree with his conclusion, I'm not arguing about his agnosticism/atheism; I'm arguing about the reasoning he expresses. Within that context, how is 'I don't need more [wonder]' open-minded?
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Steve
User: anton_p_nym
Date: 2009-02-02 18:26 (UTC)
Subject: Re: God did it...
Ah. Your interpretation differs from mine there; I read it as, "I don't need more [to explain away why this happened]". And I agree that having someone credit this to $DIETY diminishes the wonder of it all by trivialising the complexity of it all and making the answer to "how" artifically simple.

-- Steve's probably not a typical specimen of the sample base, admittedly.
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-02-03 02:20 (UTC)
Subject: Re: God did it...
Your interpretation differs from mine there; I read it as, "I don't need more [to explain away why this happened]".

Okay. I don't think that's a logical interpretation of the section, because he's not talking about causes-- he's talking about ends. That's why he lists products rather than hypotheses.

having someone credit this to $DIETY diminishes the wonder of it all by trivialising the complexity of it all and making the answer to "how" artifically simple.


I'm not sure how to answer you, because I'm not sure of a reasonable, logical way one can possibly come by that conclusion.

Think for a second-- you're theorizing that a quality-- "WONDER"-- is diminished by an element--"DEITY"-- in the people who believe in that element. How are you measuring either wonder, or belief, or even deity? These are subjective terms at the very least-- not to mention your obvious bias, and humanity's general relative inability to understand (much less quantify!) someone else's innermost feelings.

Judge not, etcetera... :-)

That I believe that God created the world in no way diminishes the complexity of it as far as I'm concerned.
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Keffy
User: kehrli
Date: 2009-02-02 15:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"You don't really want the football to have to be plugged into a wall outlet every other play," Narasimhan told Discovery News.

Oh come on, it's not like that's going to slow the game down any. They'd have plenty of time to recharge the thing while the players are milling around like lost cows and thinking about lining up.

;)
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farmgirl1146
User: farmgirl1146
Date: 2009-02-02 16:49 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Congratulations on the double in Locus. Woohoo.

I was thinking the same thing that you wrote about:

Obama is giving the GOP minority delegation in Washington an order of magnitude more credibility and attention than "I'm a uniter, not a divider" Bush ever gave the Democratic minority delegation. Hello? Ring any bells? Nah, didn't think so.
I so agree.

I wrote about the "Bankrupt Republicans" this morning in my LJ journal. Here is my bottomline on them: [their hot issues are] "straw dogs, and once they knock them down, they have no where to go, and nothing to battle against. This is all the height of moral and political bankruptcy." The Republicans are just blathering to the detriment of the nation.
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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2009-02-02 17:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
From the Skeptic Etiquette:

Posted by: GAry 7 | February 02, 2009 at 08:59 AM

Truly apropos: In case you've missed it, see "Storm" by Tim Minchin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk

Well worth ten minutes of your time.
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User: dsgood
Date: 2009-02-02 20:43 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Congratulations on the listings!

Like many other political terms, "bipartisan" means "Be reasonable. Do things my way."
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ericjamesstone
User: ericjamesstone
Date: 2009-02-03 06:01 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
> Obama is giving the GOP minority delegation in Washington an
> order of magnitude more credibility and attention than "I'm a
> uniter, not a divider" Bush ever gave the Democratic minority
> delegation.

Go back almost exactly eight years to February 3, 2001:

President Bush ventured into enemy territory today, meeting with Senate Democrats to outline his hopes for his first year in office.

...

While he stayed for under an hour and did not get into detailed discussions of policy, Democrats called Mr. Bush's very appearance before them an unusual gesture of good will and said it the first time a president of the opposition party had appeared at the strategy sessions that have been a staple of party politics since the 1980's.

Mr. Bush expressed the hope that the parties could reach compromises on education, tax cutting and Medicare prescription drug coverage, the lawmakers said.

...

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware called the visit to the Democratic gathering a ''good gesture,'' but cautioned that the president might have a hard time pulling the parties together.

''Where are the compromises?'' Mr. Biden asked. ''Bipartisanship doesn't mean we just like each other. I mean, we do like each other. But it means how does that translate? Are you really going to have compromises on issues? He said he thought we could.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0CE1D8123EF930A35751C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
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