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Jay Lake
Date: 2009-05-21 02:33
Subject: [links] Link salad hangs out in Dover
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The linguistic roots of the Sri Lankan civil war — Kind of makes you think about those "English only" idiots.

American Stonehenge: Monumental Instructions for the Post-Apocalypse

How Down Syndrome Stops Cancer — Huh.

Building the Interstellar MessageCentauri Dreams on SETI.

?otD: Dover, Delawhere?

Body movement: 40 minute suburban walk
This morning's weigh-in: n/a (travel day)
Currently reading: The Hallowed Hunt by Lois McMaster Bujold

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russ: romanes eunt domus
User: goulo
Date: 2009-05-21 12:56 (UTC)
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I've read a fair amount of pretty interesting thought-provoking stuff lately about how suppressing language leads to conflict. And in the other direction, oppressed minorities often tend to get more resistant to the externally imposed "common" language of their oppressor and want to preserve their own language to preserve their self-identity. Russian in Soviet bloc countries is a classic example. Or see how pride and interest in the Irish language came with Irish/English conflict. A sad thing is that there is a lot more quite intentional official methodical language suppression going on around the world, including many/most "nice enlightened progressive" countries, than most people are aware of.
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User: fledgist
Date: 2009-05-21 19:25 (UTC)
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Yet today Irish is dying outside of the schools. The classic case is the revival of Hebrew (and concomitant disappearance of both Yiddish and Ladino) in Israel. But there, it was a matter of a reviving nationality asserting itself, with a language arising that did not have ties to a past seen as sordid and shameful, and that was not identified with any particular subgroup within the nationality.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-05-21 22:46 (UTC)
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Language suppression is certainly a giant conservative bugaboo in the United States.

In the automated voice business, it turns out that some English speakers react quite badly to "Press one for English, marque dos para Español" at the top of an IVR menu. Google the phrase "press two for spanish" to see some language paranoia and chauvinism at work.
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User: lindadee
Date: 2009-05-22 20:37 (UTC)
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Such reactions against other languages has always seemed weird to me. My father would speak Yiddish to his father when he didn't want us to understand what he was saying, and I've always admired multi-lingual people. I have no aptitude for foreign languages, even though I took both Spanish and French, and when I hear either language I still try to pick out words I understand. Given the demographics of both North and South America, it seems inevitable to me that Spanish is going to continue to grow as a second language in the U.S. (and perhaps someday predominate).
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