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Jay Lake
Date: 2009-07-23 04:57
Subject: [politics] Everything you need to know about conservatism
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Those rugged individualists in the GOP have spent the last decade trying to build an interventionist Daddy state to monitor and control all aspects of our lives, in the name of fighting terrorism and family values, (and, allegedly, original intent). Looking back on the unmitigated cultural and political disaster that is contemporary conservatism, for my money one of the most revealing comments was Republican Senator John Cornyn, who said:
None of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead.

As conservative icon Patrick Henry, one of the original intenders, said:
Give me liberty or give me death.

Whom do you believe?

Originally published at jlake.com.

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User: martyn44
Date: 2009-07-23 13:28 (UTC)
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I'm sure Mr Cornyn's civil liberties are doing just fine. Yours, however, must never be allowed to conflict with his. If they were then you, too, would be one of the elect(ed), which, manifestly, you are not.
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User: etcet
Date: 2009-07-23 14:00 (UTC)
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As the cool kids say, "THIS."
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Danny Adams
User: madwriter
Date: 2009-07-23 14:05 (UTC)
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This reminds me of the times various Congresspeople repeated the quote, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".

To which I always had to reply, "Ignoring it would be".
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User: hal_obrien
Date: 2009-07-24 01:09 (UTC)
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And as I would point out in '01 when I heard that the most, The idea only works if you consider Al Qaeda a viable threat to the survival of the republic itself. On the face of it, that's a laughable proposition -- my god, talk about "blaming America first."

I'm much more with Lincoln on this:

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step across the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not, by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reaches us, it must spring up among us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

{fuller quote here}

Edited at 2009-07-24 01:10 am (UTC)
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Kenneth Mark Hoover
User: kmarkhoover
Date: 2009-07-23 14:08 (UTC)
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Lol, hardly a choice! I pick Henry.
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User: anton_p_nym
Date: 2009-07-23 14:27 (UTC)
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I think my reply would be, "I'm not dead yet, so keep your hands off my civil liberties."

-- Steve wishes he could draw, so he could draw a cartoon of Uncle Sam brandishing a rolled-up Constitution over his head Heston-style and saying, "You'll have to pry this out of my cold, dead hands!"
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