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Jay Lake
Date: 2009-09-17 05:32
Subject: [links] Link salad takes a right at the light, heads on until night
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Conservative Politics Disguised As Religion — Ah, the Presidential Prayer Team. Hey, conservative America, those religious convictions not so strong when you find yourself praying for a black man? Racism much?

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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2009-09-17 14:05 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:quo vadis
> "Ah, the Presidential Prayer Team. Hey, conservative America, those religious convictions not so strong when you find yourself praying for a black man?"

In fairness, I think the Presidential Prayer Team's fundamental hypocrisy is not about race - I expect they'd be similarly unenthusiastic about praying for any other Democrat, whatever the race. (Though I agree the blackness probably doesn't help matters, as far as they're concerned.)

I.e., I think the fundamental color hypocrisy is more like: "those religious convictions not so strong when you find yourself praying for a blue man (instead of a red man)?"
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cj_ruby
User: cj_ruby
Date: 2009-09-17 15:07 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Come on Jay, these charges of racism are beneath you. Isn't differences on policy the issue. If the President was white with the same policy differences he would not be supported by religious conservatives. To call the opposition racist is a means to stop debate. It is about the worst charge you can lay on anyone.

The Presidential Prayer Team site supported George Bush and his policies, they gave him favorable coverage on their site. They don't support Obama's policies, but their site isn't negative or racist towards the President. They may be hypocritical for taking 1 Timothy 2:1-2 off their site's header, but I don't see the racism there. But maybe I'm missing something.

I find most of your political rants and commentary well thought out and enlightening, even if I don't agree with some of it, but you taking up this cry of racism where it doesn't exists isn't up to your usual standards.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2009-09-17 15:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Seconded. I'm Leftist, but it's way beneath thoughtful people to label everyone who disagrees with Obama as 'racist.'

Some Black people disagree with his policies. Steele and Keyes come to mind, but quite a few writers at blackagenda oppose him.

So, if I disagree with Steele, who is Black, am I racist? It's not possible to agree with both Steele and Obama. So I'm racist whichever of those Black men I disagree with?
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-09-17 15:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Mmm. I take y'all's point, respectfully. But let me ask you this: do I throw the racism card around much (if at all, really)?

I do see a conflation between a certain swathe of conservative political opinions and a deep discomfort with the president's race. Are the two extricable, or more so, is that purely racism? No, not at all. Clinton, if anything, was treated worse by many of those same people, and he was a white Southern Baptist.

But a lot of the way that the GOP Congressional delegation talks about Obama ("he'd better show some humility when he comes over here") doesn't square even with the way they treated Clinton, for example.

In the case of the Presidential Prayer Team, which bills themselves as nonpartisan in so many words, to go from a literally hagiographic portrait of Bush to no image at all of Obama means either they're uncomfortable with a black man in that role, or they're lying through their teeth about their nonpartisanship.

So I may be wrong, dead wrong, on this particular cite, but I will observe in good faith (you should pardon an avowed atheist using that expression) that racism is further muddying some pretty dark conservative waters.

(Edited slightly for stupid typos.)

Edited at 2009-09-17 03:38 pm (UTC)
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2009-09-17 23:30 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
" In the case of the Presidential Prayer Team, which bills themselves as nonpartisan in so many words, to go from a literally hagiographic portrait of Bush to no image at all of Obama means either they're uncomfortable with a black man in that role, or they're lying through their teeth about their nonpartisanship."

IN haste, haven't read the rest of the discussion.

I'm sorry, but I think the lack of any picture of Obama at their site is very insufficient data for making such an extreme conclusion about their attitude.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-09-17 23:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Did you look at the old, Bush-era site?
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2009-09-18 01:01 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'm sorry, I'm so tired. I'll try to look later.

But for the sake of a timely reply (which I may delete later if it comes out nonsense), here's a thought experiment.

There are many hagiographic sites for Obama. Suppose after he serves his two terms, in 2016 he is succeeded by a white President. One of the hagiographic sites removes Obama's picture and (without explanation) does not immediately replace it with a picture of the new President.

Is this sufficient evidence for us to conclude that the site designer is racist against Whites?

Personally I'd look for (or tentatively assume) simpler explanations. Maybe the designer, having less admiration for the new President, has lost interest in the site and is being slow to finish updating it. Maybe there is some technical problem about the new picture. Maybe he's worried about copyright issues with an unfriendly administration.

If there were today an unflattering picture of Obama which also emphasized his racial features -- that would be some evidence of some racism. But I can scarcely imagine the lack of any picture as being evidence of much of anything.
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cj_ruby
User: cj_ruby
Date: 2009-09-18 14:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Jay, sorry I couldn't reply to this promptly. I was away from a computer until now. No I've never seen you use racism lightly. I believe you are very thoughtful and passionate in the viewpoints you post for all the world to see.

A few weeks ago when you described when you decided to post your personal political views made me respect you much more. Many authors will mask their beliefs so they don't offend readers. I also like this blog because I rarely see your “friends” on either side of the issue resort to senseless name calling. That says something about you and the viewers of this blog.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-09-18 14:32 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

When I'm feeling particularly pretentious, I like to think of my blog as a modern day salon, in the 19e siecle Parisian sense of the term.

Most days, however, I think of my blog as a blog.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-09-17 15:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
See here:

http://jaylake.livejournal.com/1923521.html?thread=13576385#t13576385
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lordofallfools
User: lordofallfools
Date: 2009-09-17 16:38 (UTC)
Subject: Presidential Prayer Team
Well, the new design is a heck of a lot more smooth, I'll tell you that.

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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2009-09-18 18:43 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
A very good concise perspective:

http://meihua.livejournal.com/118438.html
Discussion on racism in the criticisms of Obama...
... seems to be completely disconnected.
Democrats say: "They're being racist."
Democrats mean: "Racial prejudice is a factor in the way and the degree to which people are criticing Obama."
Republicans hear: "You are a bunch of racists who want to go back to segregation."
Republicans say: "We're not racist!"
Republicans think: "They're just using race to try and avoid facing genuine criticism."
Democrats think: "Those racists are blind to the truth in front of them."
Result: Nobody changes.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2009-09-18 18:52 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Like so much of political discourse, we talk past each other.
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