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Jay Lake
Date: 2010-04-29 05:15
Subject: [links] Link salad searches for its birth certificate
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Black Blade Blues, by J.A. Pitts - An interview with the man behind the woman

Andrew Wheeler on How to Train Your Dragon — My second favorite movie review ever, when he says: "In short, if there had been any doubt that animated movies today are made entirely by geeks who still haven't gotten over being picked last for kickball, How to Train Your Dragon provides yet another object lesson."

Thieves have taste for fine cheeses — Bwuh? (Via Freakonomic.)

Scientists find water-ice and organic material on asteroid — I told you guys to clean up after that party.

Death & taxes: 2011 — (Via Dark Roasted Blend.)

Steele's 'biggest gaffe so far' — I hadn't realized the GOP had been in denial about the arrant racism of the Southern Strategy. Insofar as I can tell, that's been one of the cornerstones of modern conservative electorical success.

The Politics of Contempt — Daniel Larison, normally a reliable independent thinker, joins the chorus of disingenuous conservative voices pretending the new Arizona immigration law is reasonable and just. No racism here, move along, nothing to see. That's mighty white of him.

?otD: How would you prove your citizenship if stopped by the Arizona law?



4/29/2010
Writing time yesterday: none (chemo brain)
Body movement: 30 minute stationary bike ride
Hours slept: 6.5 (interrupted)
This morning's weigh-in: 231.2
Yesterday's chemo stress index: 4/10 (fatigue)
Currently (re)reading: Witches Abroad by Terry Pratchett

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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2010-04-29 12:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"the new Arizona immigration law"
"That's mighty white of him."

What do these two phrases have in common? Racism.

Would it have been okay if you'd said "that's mighty black of him?"
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-04-29 13:03 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Sorry, I failed to include the sarcasm tag. I'm commenting on the inherent racism in the Arizona law by using an old racist phrase ironically.
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Twilight: Daria
User: twilight2000
Date: 2010-04-29 15:02 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Daria
I hadn't heard that term in decades - but the irony came through loud and clear - I suspect you had to have heard it originally for it to be clearly sarcastic now :>.
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threeoutside
User: threeoutside
Date: 2010-04-29 13:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I got a "Page not found" at the Wheeler link, Jay.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-04-29 13:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think I've fixed it.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-04-29 13:21 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"?otD: How would you prove your citizenship if stopped by the Arizona law?"

From
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.htm

1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-04-29 13:24 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Right. The problem is a driver's license is not proof of citizenship. By definition.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-04-29 13:29 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Erm, to be slightly less vague, it's going to come down to number 4) above. Nobody generally carries anything but a driver's license, and driver's licenses aren't proof of citizenship (in large part thanks to the conservative movement's resolute resistance to any national identification scheme). So we're back 'driving while brown' as an arrestable offense, with the burden of proof of citizenship on the arrestee.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-04-29 13:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
That quote is from the Arizona law in question. The law specifically does define an Arizona drivers license as satisfying the requirement of the Arizona law. Here's more context:

A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.
4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.htm
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User: beth_bernobich
Date: 2010-04-29 14:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
But if you are this guy, a driver's license isn't enough. (Yes, this happened before the law passed, but still.)
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seventorches
User: seventorches
Date: 2010-04-29 19:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It is not legally required to carry your drivers license here.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-04-30 00:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Here are some details and perspective at the New York Times, from one of the people who helped draft the law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29kobach.html
It also requires police officers who, in the course of a traffic stop or other law-enforcement action, come to a “reasonable suspicion” that a person is an illegal alien verify the person’s immigration status with the federal government.

More issues addressed at the article.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-04-30 00:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Have you seen the Rachel Maddow segment on the drafting of that law?
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-04-30 01:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
No, nor am I taking sides on this. Just adding some concise, well-sourced info to the thread.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-04-30 11:26 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Wasn't suggesting you take sides. As usual, you're making me think carefully about this. However, Maddow had some real interesting sourcing on how the Arizona law was written, specifically in connection to immigration 'reform' groups, white supremacists and a guy name Kris Kobach. Her assertion, well-sourced, (loosely speaking, these next are my words not hers) is this law was in large part drafted by a group of people specifically intending to criminalize driving while brown.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-05-01 05:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Hm, is there such a thing as philosophical profililng?

Consider ordinary profiling:

Police: "There goes a dirty hippie! Let's pull him over and find something to charge him with."

Newscaster: "A dirty hippie was carrying a bomb."

Judge later: "It wasn't a bomb, it was a Kindle."

Newscaster: "So what! He's still a dirty hippie!"
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ulfhirtha
User: ulfhirtha
Date: 2010-04-29 13:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Daily Show had fun with another Steele statement on why should particular minorities vote for the GOP and he said there really wasn't one.

?otD: Hmmm...I suppose saying "14th amendment, pal. Take a hike" isn't enough? ;-)

In looking over the 14th's sections beyond the first, several naturally reference "insurrection or rebellion". It almost makes me wonder if such considerations might not again become topical.
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dionysus1999
User: dionysus1999
Date: 2010-04-29 13:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"Vancouver's toughest streets" made me wonder just how tough those streets are if a major crime is stealing cheese. And I'd have expected this more in Montreal, with the stereotypes of the French and cheese.
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spencimusprime
User: spencimusprime
Date: 2010-04-29 14:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Apparently it takes Jon Stewart to point out that one has a legal right to refuse to show identification:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-26-2010/law---border
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shelly_rae: Big leaf Maple
User: shelly_rae
Date: 2010-04-29 16:30 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Big leaf Maple
How about if I just answer all the officer's questions in Arapaho? Think that will get me anywhere? And then can I ask him for his papers and make a citizens' arrest if he doesn't comply?
Anon
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CatJuggling
User: catjuggling
Date: 2010-04-29 20:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Totally with Mr. Wheeler on Dragon. Really hoped I would like it better, becuase it's fun, gorgeous, and my kids went nuts over it all and there wasn't a bad-joke wince moment in the whole thing. (looking at you Shrek) It just felt soooo predictable.


AotD: What, with these baby blues and nordic frame? I don't get stopped. They even gave me this cool assault rifle to carry around openly... (see the Daily Show clip for the gun joke)
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