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Jay Lake
Date: 2010-05-08 08:40
Subject: [links] Link salad dreams of sects and Duze and Sisyphus' rock rolling
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Methane bubble caused blast that led to oil spill — I thought seabed methane was a well-understood problem. Oh well; drill, baby, drill.

Antick Musings quotes Bertrand Russel on opinions — And once again, opinions are not freely substitutable for facts. No matter how sincerely held, divinely inspired, or endorsed by Glenn Beck.

Critics Blast Palin's Bible-Based Legal Plan — Sarah Palin: "Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant. They're quite clear that we would create law based on the God of the Bible and the 10 commandments, it's pretty simple." Welcome to conservative America, where facts are optional, history is fungible and idiots lead.

We are not a Christian nation — He makes the same point I've made repeatedly What strikes me as funny is how the über-religious in the US fight to tear down the wall of separation, not realizing that they are weakening themselves. What stands between their religion being dominant and, say, Muslims? This is one of the many problems with having religion intertwined with government. As long as it’s your religion, hurray. But see those guys over there praying in a place of worship with slightly different architecture from yours? They feel exactly the same way about their religion as you do about yours. The only way to protect your own freedom of religion is to protect your freedom from theirs. You don't even have to step outside the Christian label. Do Southern Baptists really want to live in Catholic nation, under Catholic rules? Do Catholics want to be forced to abide by Mormon ideology and theology? "Christian" is a terrific label that hundreds of sects claim ownership of. Centuries-long bloody warns have been fought over this label. No thanks, Palin. Crack a history book for once in your life and use the mind God so reluctantly gave you. You might learn something. (Via corwynofamber.)

Grand Old PartyFor reasons that have always struck me as paradoxical, one place where Republicans totally excel Democrats is in their ability to survive sex scandals. For years I had it pounded into me that people voted Republican because of the "moral compass" that only conservatives seem to possess, given how us liberals are all venal situationalists or something. Glad to see that moral compass continues to be put to good use. I guess the same people who hated Clinton can forgive anything for someone who votes the God, guns and gays line. Ah, principled consistency.

Why not just torture the SOB?Personally, I think the Anglo-American traditions of liberty are one of the things conservatives ought to be in favor of conserving. You'd think that gang that claim to be strict Constitutionalists would have a wee bit of consistency on this point. Especially since so much terrorism emanates from the American right — Richard Jewell Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, the IRS plane bomber, the KKK and militia movements, abortion clinic harassment, bombings and killings. (Snurched from Scrivener's Error.)

More on the "Dimming of the Age" — Daniel Larison on the coming post-American century that Bush-era policies did so much to pave the way for.

?otD: Which kind of Christian Nation should America be? Maronite? Coptic? Amish? Seventh Day Adventist?



5/8/2010
Writing time yesterday: none (chemo)
Body movement: Brief suburban walk
Hours slept: 9.0 (interrupted)
This morning's weigh-in: n/a (off schedule)
Yesterday's chemo stress index: 8/10 (infusion day)
Currently (re)reading: Soul Music by Terry Pratchett

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Angel
User: valarltd
Date: 2010-05-08 16:49 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The primary thing that keeps Muslims from taking over is that they make up about 2% of the population. The 75% that is Christian is TOTALLY oppressed by their mere existance.
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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2010-05-08 16:55 (UTC)
Subject: Not Richard Jewell
He was exonerated. I think you meant Eric Rudolph.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-05-08 17:09 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Not Richard Jewell
You absolutely right. Stoopid chemo brain. Will fix ASAP.
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fledgist
User: fledgist
Date: 2010-05-08 17:21 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Not Richard Jewell
Came in to point this out.
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Steve
User: anton_p_nym
Date: 2010-05-08 16:56 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
?otD: Which kind of Christian Nation should America be?

Lapsed.

-- Steve is frankly astonished at how fast-and-loose peoples of the Earth are with their own history(ies), yet so fastly-bound to their traditions.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-05-08 17:08 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
In haste. Now this is the sort of thing I'd strongly condemn Palin for. If and when I see a video of her really saying it, in full context, etc.

This is an issue worth condemnation. But there have been so many misquotes and misrepresentations of Palin's other statements going around, so much crying wolf....

(And even if she really said it, and with no larger context mitigating it -- such as relating others' beliefs rather than presenting her own -- she might be lying rather than stupid.)
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-05-08 17:27 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Do you think that Palin's continuing torrent of malapropism and counterfactuals and ahistoricalism are all a result of biased reporting and context-cutting?
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-05-09 02:30 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Well, Al Gore's supposed 'lies' in 2000 were all a result of biased reporting and context-cutting, or minor errors.

I just got home and will look into this current Palin thing.

Actually it wasn't "Gore's continuing torrent" but others' continuing torrent, and it may well be the same with the continuing torrent of supposed Palin quotes. Hardly any of these quotes I've seen so far has checked out except a popular sloppiness with 'unique.' (For 'unique virtue' Google finds about 7,700,000 matches.)
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-05-09 02:46 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Here's a small part of the torrent of alleged Gore 'lies' in 2000. This is a very small part because this website does not accept everything that went around then.
http://www.gargaro.com/algore.html

Ah, here's National Review's version.
http://article.nationalreview.com/305471/the-gore-lies/nro-staff
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-05-09 03:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Okay, here's what I've found so far, which does seem good evidence for the Palin 'Christian nation' quote. Transcript and long video, both at rightwing sites, so unlikely to be biased against her.

In this case a rightwing source is what the lawyers would call 'hostile witness.' O'Reilly is friendly to Palin, therefore hostile to the prosecution. If it were Obama or Gore being quoted with something embarassing, I'd disregard rightwing sites but consider a leftwing site as good evidence.

On Palin's 'Christian nation' statements, here's what I've found.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,592422,00.html
This is Fox transcribing O'Reilly's interview, which was friendly to Palin.

http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147494131
This is a video posted at a rightwing site.

I don't know what is being implied elsewhere about her context, but her actual context here is defending something called iirc 'National Day of Prayer' -- she's not trying to attack the non-Christians or anything like that.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-05-09 14:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think the difference was that Al Gore's malapropisms were a lot fewer and farther between, and highly repeated out of context, especially within the Right Wing Noise Machine.

Palin appears to be conducting 'dog whistle' politics with many of hers, and there is a fresh supply weekly. Much like Bush 43's, except the media generally gave him a pass on his arrant stupidities, much as they did with Reagan, for reasons I've never been clear on.
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bemused_leftist
User: bemused_leftist
Date: 2010-05-09 16:52 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I followed the 2000 campaign and spent a lot of time defending Gore against whatever the Noise Machine claim of the day was. The only lists of those claims I could find still up are the two I posted, which are just the tip of the iceberg of what was actually attributed to Gore at the time.

Really, the volume is about the same. In 2000 the mainstream amplified the RWNM stuff, now they're amplifying the Left Wing Noise Machine.
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biomekanic
User: biomekanic
Date: 2010-05-08 18:35 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Beat me to it.

<--- Liberal Quaker.
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biomekanic
User: biomekanic
Date: 2010-05-08 19:51 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It's my default icon.

I used to play Earth 2025, and my signature was "I said I was a Quaker, I never said I was a /good/ Quaker."

Few people got the joke, but the right people did.
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erudite_ogre: Ogre!
User: erudite_ogre
Date: 2010-05-09 13:45 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Ogre!
Speaking of icons, this one is awesome,as is the "Bugger Me"one on your userpics. Might I borrow these (with full kudos, of course)?
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madrobins
User: madrobins
Date: 2010-05-08 19:10 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Ooh, ooh, Amish! I want to know how to make those lovely caps the women wear.
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They Didn't Ask Me
User: dr_phil_physics
Date: 2010-05-08 19:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Ooh, ooh -- family values! Stewards of the land! Hard work ethic! Industrious!

Dr. Phil
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madrobins
User: madrobins
Date: 2010-05-08 19:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The last three sound okay. First one always winds up chopping someone else's liver.
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User: mmegaera
Date: 2010-05-08 23:05 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:garden
But I want people to go to school past the eighth grade. Please?
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erudite_ogre
User: erudite_ogre
Date: 2010-05-09 13:51 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
How about a denomination with some pizazz, like the Methernitha?

Any of them would be better than Palin's crypto-fascist religiosity.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2010-05-09 14:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I initially read this as "a denomination with some pizzas."

Which might be cool.
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