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Jay Lake
Date: 2010-08-14 05:50
Subject: [links] Link salad tries to proposition 8, gets slapped a lot
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Tags:cool, funny, gay, history, links, personal, politics, science
A Continental Shift and Its Implications — "Polar Wander" is a new one for me. And interesting...

Robots as Art: The Serene Beauty of LumiBots

Britain Believes No Milk From Clones Was Sold — Wow. What a headline. Oh, the imagery... (And I have to ask, why is animal cloning considered "potentially dangerous and cruel"?)

How Press Censorship Hid the Shocking Truth About Nagasaki A-Bomb 65 Years Ago

More on Proposition 8 — (Thanks to lt260.)

Insincere bigotryMany of the conservative Baptists among whom I grew up believe that dancing is a sin. I have never heard any of them suggest that weddings are invalid if there is dancing at the reception. Nor did any of them argue that professional dancers ought to be relegated to second-class citizenship -- forbidden to marry, to adopt children, to serve openly in the military. They didn't argue such things because it wouldn't have made sense. The leap from "dancing is a sin" to "dancers are subhuman and should not have rights" is illogical and it's bad theology by their own standards. The belief in a religious prohibition against homosexuality can be exploited by demagogues to produce and nurture bigotry among those who are prone to bigotry, but that religious prohibition is not, in itself, the cause or the source of that bigotry.

The Unreasonableness of the Reasonable Arguments Against Gay Marriage — You can clothe it in all the rhetoric and theology you want, but opposition to gay marriage is still arrant bigotry at its heart. Where is the harm? In court, with months to prepare, the alleged harm created by gay marriage could not be demonstrated by opponents.

?otD: How many times have you been married?




8/14/2010
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jordan179
User: jordan179
Date: 2010-08-14 13:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Unreasonableness of the Reasonable Arguments Against Gay Marriage — You can clothe it in all the rhetoric and theology you want, but opposition to gay marriage is still arrant bigotry at its heart. Where is the harm? In court, with months to prepare, the alleged harm created by gay marriage could not be demonstrated by opponents.

I totally agree. The opponents of gay marriage are usually driven to argue either "It's wrong because we forbid it," to claim that it somehow "devalues" straight marriage, without explaining how, or that it is a slippery slope to other marriage forms (but why would this be a bad thing, provided that all these forms were mutually consensual?).
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Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
User: annafdd
Date: 2010-08-14 13:46 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Dangerous because, you know, Scary Frankestein Food and all that.

The cruel is a bit more substantial: cloned individual tend to be larger than the original and put a strain on the host mother when they are delivered. But IIUC, there are things that can be do about it.
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e_bourne
User: e_bourne
Date: 2010-08-14 15:43 (UTC)
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Three.
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sheelangig
User: sheelangig
Date: 2010-08-14 16:01 (UTC)
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Legally? Twice.

Practically? Three times.

Emotionally? It's a big damn number, that's all I know...
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farmgirl1146
User: farmgirl1146
Date: 2010-08-14 17:04 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The analogy of dancers and gay people is brilliant. Thank you.
Twice.
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Menolly
User: nolly
Date: 2010-08-15 03:08 (UTC)
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Amen. I just wish the rest of the article was in a similarly reasonable tone so that I could point folks at it. As is, their shields will slam down before they get to the lovely analogy, and it will not penetrate.
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Nathan
User: mastadge
Date: 2010-08-14 18:13 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
A Jewish couple are planning their wedding. They go to the rabbi for some advice: "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition for men to dance together at the reception, and women likewise. But would it be acceptable for us to dance together?"

"Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest. Men and women always dance separately."

"So I can't dance with my own wife?"

"No."

"What about sex?" asks the man. "We are permitted to have sex once we're married?"

"Of course! Sex is a mitzvah within marriage. God wants you to have children!"

"What about different positions?" asks the woman.

"No problem. It's a mitzvah!"

"So I can be on top?"

"Go for it! It's a mitzvah!"

"From behind with my wife on her knees?" asks the man.

"Sure! Still a mitzvah!"

"On the kitchen table?"

"Yes, yes! Another mitzvah!"

"Can we do it on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, a leather harness, a bucket of honey and a sex video?"

"You may indeed. It's all a mitzvah!"

"Can we do it standing up?"

"No."

"Why not?" asks the man.

"That could lead to dancing."
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Danny Adams
User: madwriter
Date: 2010-08-16 16:56 (UTC)
Subject: Gay marriages
Sometimes the best arguments are the most obvious ones. There are some folks out there accusing the Prop 8 judge of being homosexual himself, and letting that supposed homosexuality influence his decisions. To which the best counter-argument is the obvious one: "Do you let your heterosexuality influence your decisions?"
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