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Jay Lake
Date: 2011-09-11 08:19
Subject: [links] Link salad for the 9/11 anniversary
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Tags:911, books, contests, endurance, personal, politics, religion, reviews, science, writing

Don’t forget the new Endurance ARC contest: [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ]

A reader reacts to Green — A positive review from [info]gerryhuntman. Among other things, he touches on the (baffling to me) negative response several reviewers have had to the dedication.

Those darn fan letters (or, you know. Emails) — Urban fantasy author J.A. Pitts talks about his fanmail. Touching.

Charlie Stross asks “What do you think is the most important novel of the past 10-and-a-bit years (published since January 1st 2000)? All male authors are disqualified.” — Interesting comments.

Scientists Reveal How Hummingbirds Sing with Their Tail Fethers

NASA fanfare for Orion progress as welds begins on the OFT-1 vehicle

World in Transit Hides ‘Invisible’ Planet in Its Solar System

Witnessing Hell — Writer Sonia Lyris on looking back at 9/11.

9/11 dwarfed the films about it — Roger Ebert on 9/11.

Ten Years after 9/11, Do the Arabs value Democracy more than We do?Some critics trace the debt and budget crisis to the Bush wars, but in a $14.5 trillion a year economy, the $1 trillion spent on the wars over a decade was not decisive. The real cost of the wars of aggression was a decline in the standing of the US abroad, a gutting of the UN Charter and international legal norms, and a de facto repeal civil liberties at home.

9/11: The Decade Since — I have profound respect for 9/11 and what is meant to this country, but not for our response it. 9/11 killed slightly under 3,000 people. In that same year, 2001, 29,573 died of gun violence in the United States. 931,108 of cardiovascular disease. Other major causes of death in 2001 were cancer, 553,768; accidents, 101,537; Alzheimer’s disease, 53,852; and HIV 14,175. Those numbers have held up every year since, as deaths by terrorism have not. We did not go on trillion dollar+ parxoysm of needless security theatre and foreign wars-of-choice under knowingly false premises and runaway deficit spending and dismantling of civil liberties and politicization/rank partisanship as a result of those vastly higher death rates, many of them highly preventable. We did not open commissions or establish payouts for the victims of all those other deaths. Which saddens me for our social priorities. Was 3,000 lives worth what we did? Wouldn’t a better memorial to 9/11 and its victims have been improving conditions at home across the board rather than degrading our national standing abroad?

?otD: Where were you that day?

Writing time yesterday: 0.0 hours (chemo)
Body movement: 0.0. hours (chemo)
Hours slept: 11.5 hours (badly interrupted)
Weight: 225.0
Currently reading: Antiphon by Ken Scholes

Originally published at jlake.com. You can comment here or there.

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User: history_monk
Date: 2011-09-11 15:45 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Before you can shame the American people with their reduced standing abroad, there are two barriers to overcome.

First is the significant proportion of the population who don't really comprehend the concept of "abroad" except as a set of cliches, the biggest of which seems to be "all the one who aren't mad want to come to the USA".

Second is the people who are more aware than that, but feel sure that displays of military might enhance the standing of the USA, under all circumstances.
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User: jtdiii
Date: 2011-09-11 15:57 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
3000 US dead on 9/11

68,000 to 151,000 Iraqi deaths (Based on various counts/estimates.)

And a lingering war we are having trouble getting out, that the US entered under false pretenses.

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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2011-09-11 16:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:quo vadis
Various counts have gone much higher that 151,000 even, e.g. the Lancet estimate of 600,000 (and that was just in 2006!).

Several links to estimates collected here:

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User: jtdiii
Date: 2011-09-11 17:10 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Agreed, but those numbers tend to include things that are second hand such as deaths due to compromised facilities, i.e. lack of power, clean water, etc.. I was going more for the deaths due to immediate attacks by Americans.

I wonder how many jingoistic folks consider how annoyed a country would be about 20 to 50 times as many casualties inflicted by the US as were inflicted by the 9/11 terrorists.

Or to put it another way, the South is still annoyed about losing the civil war. Think about how the Iraqis feel and how long they will hold a grudge.
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russ: quo vadis
User: goulo
Date: 2011-09-11 18:04 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:quo vadis
I think some of them might consider it, and decide it's not worth worrying about because those people are less important than Americans anyway ("ragheads" and "sand niggers" and all that), and besides we have a bigger army so what are they going to do anyway? :/
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User: dinpik
Date: 2011-09-11 17:16 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I was at work, switching between NPR and a local oldies' station on my radio. I remember hearing the local radio DJ saying a plane had hit a tower in NY, went to NPR for the rest of the day. Told a coworker, who told others; a supervisor came up and asked if it was true.

We had a lot of immigrants from the Middle East, northern Africa, India and Pakistan on our floor. They were treated badly not only by other coworkers but management after that. I'm still bitter over how HR ignored it.
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wyld_dandelyon: joyous icon with black border
User: wyld_dandelyon
Date: 2011-09-11 17:49 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:joyous icon with black border
I want to say I love it that your links always open in a new window, and I don't lose your post or my place in LJ by clicking on them.

It's a little thing, but it pleases me. Thank you.
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russ: lyles constant
User: goulo
Date: 2011-09-11 18:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:lyles constant
For what it's worth, I habitually open links with a mousewheel-click, which (at least in several popular browsers) makes them open in a new tab in any case.
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wyld_dandelyon: Cookies
User: wyld_dandelyon
Date: 2011-09-11 18:09 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Sadly, the laptop isn't equipped with a wheel-analog, but that's cool to know.
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User: mmegaera
Date: 2011-09-11 18:19 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
On the Mist Trail in Yosemite National Park. I recently re-hiked it for the first time since then. This was a good thing.
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Ruthanne Reid
User: ruthannereid
Date: 2011-09-11 18:38 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Where were you that day?

I was at college, and had driven to my little one-room-rental quickly between classes for a shower and lunch. Because I was there, I didn't hear about it through any normal means. Instead, I learned about it through LJ.

An Australian friend said she was weeping for my country. I had no idea why, so I looked at the news.

I don't think I'd ever felt the blood drain from my face before. But that description is accurate.
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User: 3lobed
Date: 2011-09-12 01:32 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
For me "that day" is a bit slippery, since I'm on another continent in another hemisphere and the time zones don't match up. When the attacks happened it was the small hours of the morning my time, and I was online on a discussion board, that being what the small hours of the morning before a workday are for.

So I'm clicking on "next response" going through the chatter: this movie was pretty cool, oh yeah, I'm waiting to see that. Sigh, another day revising my legal theory class notes. Crap, we're out of coffee at the office again. Hey guys what was that brand of chocolate for that recipe. A plane just flew into the World Trade Centre.

Blink. Uh, sure, okay. Some idiot in a single-engine Cessna clipped the corner with a wing or something. Click on "Next Response". "Make that two planes. The boss here used to be a pilot and he says there's no way these were accidents. I am shaking."

Click clickity click. People asking what's going on and turning on the TV. Up to the main board. Rumours about the air force. Someone's saying there's been a firebomb attack on the Pentagon. I remember the rumours really spinning up with talk of some kind of shootout in Washington and who knows what else.

By this stage I was folded practically double in the chair and barely propping my eyes open. I decided that this would all have arrived at some sort of sense tomorrow and slouched off to bed. By next morning most of a day had gone by in New York and I drove in listening to the news wrapups and spend the day with the online news feeds. (Literally. I work in tech support and the Department granted a special case for everyone to stream CNN to their desktops for the day, so that was pretty much all we got calls for.)

And every time the screens showed the planes disappearing into the buildings I thought "huh, there it is again. They really did that. That's actually, really a thing that happened."
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