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Jay Lake
Date: 2011-12-21 05:21
Subject: [links] Link salad says Happy Solstice
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If Dragon’s Mass Eve Be Cold And Clear — Go check out [info]kenscholes' store at for.com. It's worth your time.

First trailer for 'The Hobbit' arrives

Part 1. The Origins of Dinotopia: Childhood Dreams — Art guru James Gurney with a very detailed series of blog posts on how he developed Dinotopia. A wonderful series of pieces on world building for all you writers and artists out there.

Watch the Solstice Approach (and Recede) — Be sure to click through to the year clock.

Metal undergoes novel transition under extreme pressureUnder extreme pressures and temperatures, one of the main materials of the Earth's interior has exhibited a never-before-seen transition. Cool.

Sheriff: Ohio man cleaning gun killed Amish girl — Ah, the death of a child. As my conservative friends stoutly agree in their party platforms, a small price to pay for the Second Amendment right to defense of essentially liberties. How many deaths are your guns worth to you?

In Madison, 1,000 Singers Defy Walker’s Edict — Ah, the price of free speech. (Via [info]tillyjane, a/k/a my mom.)

Politifact, R.I.P. — The pernicious GOP "liberal media" meme strikes again.

Fox and Friends on the SpongeBob Conspiracy — Further proof that the conservative worldview is nutty crankery. (Via [info]willyumtx.)

?otd: Long nights? Impossible odds?




12/21/2011
Writing time yesterday: 0.0 hours (chemo fatigue)
Body movement: 30 minute stationary bike ride
Hours slept: 12.5 (solid plus napping)
Weight: 208.8
Currently (re)reading: Dragonquest by Anne McCaffrey

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User: joycemocha
Date: 2011-12-21 15:24 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:guntotinliberal
I don't even have to read the story to know that there was a failure on the part of the idiot cleaning the gun. After all, cleaning the gun starts by making sure the damn gun is empty.

I am sick to death of fools like that Ohio man, fools who can't take responsibility seriously. Owning and handling a gun is...okay, this is turning into a long rant and it doesn't belong on someone else's blog.

And dude, some of your liberal friends tote guns too.

Am I cranky? Um, yeah, sorry. Starting out your holiday with stress relief puking does that to one. I hope you understand.
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torreybird
User: torreybird
Date: 2011-12-21 21:10 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Seconded. Always behave as though the gun is loaded, keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, and check yourself that it is unloaded. dammit.

Research and pesky facts are important to consider, when judging 2nd amendment rights. One might try these, published by the National Safety Council: http://www.nsc.org/news_resources/Documents/nscInjuryFacts2011_037.pdf

One might as well say "How many deaths are your car worth to you?"
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 21:12 (UTC)
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One might as well say "How many deaths are your car worth to you?"

As one does. Automobiles provide considerable social value, given our transportation infrastructure and the way we've organized our society. Guns simply endanger me and the people I love while providing no social value that I can discern.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 21:13 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
BTW, just to mention it, I am a very good shot, lettered in riflery in high school, have had plenty of range safety training, and do know my way comfortably around firearms. My intense dislike and distrust of guns is based on knowing a fair amount about them rather than on being afraid of something I don't understand.
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torreybird
User: torreybird
Date: 2011-12-21 21:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Point taken, that the question is of social value, not of impending death.

Are you also opposed to other things that are dangerous to others but not empirically useful? Auto and motorcycle races on streets (not racetracks), for example.

My intense dislike and distrust centers on some gun owners, not the tools they own.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 21:32 (UTC)
Subject:
My intense dislike and distrust centers on some gun owners, not the tools they own.

Well, I can align with that to some degree. The fundamental problem with a firearm is that it's a tool with minimal constructive value and maximal abuse potential. It's so damned easy to make an error (the Amish shooting I cited) or just have one moment of anger. There's no room for second thoughts, unlike, say, even chasing someone down the street with a bat.

Are you also opposed to other things that are dangerous to others but not empirically useful? Auto and motorcycle races on streets (not racetracks), for example.

Well, yes, but your example of street racing doesn't kill 10,000+ people per year, is clearly illegal, and is not even arguably Constitutionally protected. There's not a huge lobby protecting street racers' "rights" to the automotive equivalent of semiautomatic weapons and cop-killer bullets. (I'm one of those people who thinks the Second Amendment concerns the National Guard, not widespread private gun ownership; on a plain good faith reading of the text.)
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 21:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It also amazes me the degree to which gun owners will contort their logic and values to avoid admitting there is a causal connection between widespread private gun ownership and the prevalence of gun deaths. People die because we have guns. Period. If we didn't have guns, fewer people would die. Period. That privilege isn't worth the price to me, and I struggle with understanding how it can be to any compassionate person.
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torreybird
User: torreybird
Date: 2011-12-21 22:12 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
In street racing, I was thinking of any races taking place on otherwise public streets, where members of the public may be sharing the road or spectating - including rallies and others - which are legal. I disagree about the automobile lobbying: while it may not be couched in terms of "rights" per se, the lobbies, unions, and industry is incredibly strong.

"That privilege isn't worth the price to me, and I struggle with understanding how it can be to any compassionate person."

This takes the general form of "I struggle with understanding how [a bad thing] can be [good] to any [good] person." When I've heard this before, about any topic, it actually has meant that the person has already decided that this person can't be [good] for whatever value they've specified. There's no struggle with understanding if you've already decided.

On a plain, good faith reading of the text, I understand that the right to armaments is a responsibility more than a privilege. It is the responsibility to be willing to do one of the most difficult of possible things, to fight even with ones own life against the government when that government has ceased to work.

I believe it was a right granted with great trust in and compassion for the future citizens, and great understanding that the country would suffer from the flaws of the humans that make it up.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 22:39 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
This takes the general form of "I struggle with understanding how [a bad thing] can be [good] to any [good] person." When I've heard this before, about any topic, it actually has meant that the person has already decided that this person can't be [good] for whatever value they've specified. There's no struggle with understanding if you've already decided.

Well, put it in this frame. If your daughter had been shot as the Amish girl was, what would your reaction be? I just can't conceive of a worldview that privileges gun ownership over my child's life. It's not that I've already decided, it's that I struggle to understand why that's an acceptable worldview to anyone. I meant what I said there... the question isn't closed, but I've never seen a rationale that makes sense to me.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 22:43 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
And for one more bit of clarity, in part what I mean by the above is that I know plenty of decent, humane, kind people who own firearms. I just don't understand why they think the price of widespread private gun ownership is acceptable. For me, the acceptability stops at the first death. No one's ever been able to convince me otherwise yet, but I'm still willing to listen.

Does that make sense?
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torreybird
User: torreybird
Date: 2011-12-22 01:25 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think it does make sense. I also think it transcends the rational.

For me, any accident or instrument that killed my child would be awful, irreconcilable with continued existence of that potential - which quickly becomes ridiculous. Potential accidents and instruments are everywhere.

I think it's far more important to emphasize human compassion and responsibility than to attempt to control the ownership of specific objects. What's dangerous is what's in a person's head, regardless of what's in their hand.
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-23 17:24 (UTC)
Subject:
Are there any ideals that are worth dying for?

You bet. However, for my part I do not perceive gun ownership as an ideal worth living for, let alone one worth dying for. (And especially not randomly dying for.)
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Jay Lake
User: jaylake
Date: 2011-12-21 22:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I disagree about the automobile lobbying: while it may not be couched in terms of "rights" per se, the lobbies, unions, and industry is incredibly strong.

Sorry, I spoke poorly. I didn't mean to imply there isn't a powerful transportation lobby. I meant to say that there isn't an auto lobby specifically working for wider availability of automotive practices and equipment designed solely to increase efficiency in killing human beings.
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User: mmegaera
Date: 2011-12-22 01:03 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I once had a hole shot through my kitchen wall by someone who then told the sheriff he was cleaning his gun. The bullet landed in my cats' water dish. Fortunately, they were outside and I was not home at the time.

I'm with Jay on this one.
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